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c010rb1indusa t1_j7rd14e wrote

Honestly the thing that has me most excited about Steam Deck isn't the hardware, but SteamOS itself. Valve, for better or for worse, have crowned Arch Linux and KDE Plasma as their distribution and desktop environment of choice respectively. Just as the Deck's success has resulted in a soft hardware floor for PC games, their software choices have created an unofficial 'default' distro+DE for the Linux desktop, which IMO has been one of the biggest limiting factors for its growth and adoption over the years. The value of having mainstream consensus around an OS and design language cannot be understated and it's what the Linux Desktop has needed to get away from its CLI crutches. This is the first time I've realistically been able to see a potential replacement for Windows in the desktop space and not just for gamers. I hope I'm not wrong.


Poyojo t1_j7svnrq wrote

I've never used Linux in my life, but having spent time with my Deck, I can say that given more compatibility with games, I may just eventually want Linux to be my main computer's OS. I just love how customizable and unobtrusive everything has been. Windows, on the other hand, drives me nuts in some new way every single day.


SuicidalChair t1_j7sy5mj wrote

Sorry, we moved your nuts to a sub-context menu so it's harder to drive them now - Windows


Poyojo t1_j7syhkl wrote

Yo! Welcome back to Windows! Everything is different now, there are ads in places you didn't expect, and we reinstalled Microsoft Edge for you since it seems you accidentally uninstalled it. No worries; happens all the time. So would you like to upgrade to Windows 11 right now or like.. later today?


Shotgun5250 t1_j7vw64e wrote

I can’t even uninstall edge. It’s hard coded into my OS and won’t allow me to uninstall it. I just hid it away in the depths of my files, never to be seen again.


King_Tamino t1_j7wlc3x wrote

Not much different to IE. IE was/is as hardcoded into the OS like file explorer itself.


ickarous t1_j7vz52k wrote

JFC, everytime I setup a new user and accidentally click Edge instead of Chrome. Edge then holds you hostage until you tell it multiple times that no I dont want to login, I just want to close this BS and open Chrome.


noeagle77 t1_j7u8n1d wrote

“You don’t meet the minimum requirements for your nuts to be updated”



bolderdash t1_j7vye4c wrote

This is the game changer. A fully supported OS that's built to run games across the board, has been optimized for performance (because it had to be), that also gives gamers a system capable of providing the customization and modding options that come with Linux - and it's not Microsoft or Apple.

I like my computer, and Windows 10 is great, don't get me wrong; but now I have the option to customize my OS without Microsoft BS interference, AND IT CAN RUN ALL MY GAMES OUT OF THE BOX. Sign me the fuck up.


King_Tamino t1_j7wl0sw wrote

Absolutely hardcore Windows Fan but damn even I’m tired. The amount of Win11 un-installs had to do for family… the work that goes into keeping our servers running.

Their announcement back then to not release Win11 made me cheer since it significantly could reduce permanently effort when it comes to helping end-users. Instead we now get Win11 AND the Win Server Version after 2022 "will be closer to Win11“

I’m at a point where I gladly would support switching most of our systems but windows dependencies especially in businarea is just so brutal..


kaskoosek t1_j7vg1bq wrote

Installing and unistalling on unix is unsafe for beginners.

Tread the terminal with caution.

I usually dont touch my core environment, but use virtual vms in case i wanna develop some stuff.


aDDnTN t1_j7ubtce wrote

you definitely have used linux in your life.

have you ever used an atm? ever used a self-checkout? every looked at a live menu screen?

your smart phone uses a linux based os. playstation OS is linux.

if you ever used an electronic interface that had to be reliable, it was most likely linux based.

ever used a home wifi router? nas? a media player? your smart TV apps? all have OS based on linux.


Poyojo t1_j7ubz9q wrote

Sorry, what I really meant to say was "I've never used Linux as the primary OS on my home computer in my life"


aDDnTN t1_j7ud5f3 wrote

me neither! but i have 3 libreelec +kodi media players, a rasbian server, pihole, and a gameboy shaped emulator kit, all running linux.

i have to use guides while i'm working on things to explain how. i'm practically stumbling in the dark and have no idea if what i'm doing is right, but i'm trying to learn.


3dforlife t1_j7w7siw wrote

The atms, at least in Portugal, are driven by windows XP.


barfplanet t1_j7xy243 wrote

Just to be a know-it-all, the playstation OS is built on freeBSD.


3dforlife t1_j7w7zfc wrote

The Switch is the most reliable electronics I have. Is it OS based on Linux?


aDDnTN t1_j7wig0a wrote

it's running on a tegra so probably, let's check the wiki.

> Proprietary OS, derivative of Nintendo 3DS system software (partially Unix-like via certain components which are based on FreeBSD and Android)

probably depends on if you consider "unix-like" to be different from "linux-like".


barfplanet t1_j7xygo5 wrote

The Switch OS is really not linux-based at all. It uses a pretty unique micro-kernel instead of Linux. It does have similar (unix-like) architecture, but pretty much every OS other than Windows also does.


PC-hris t1_j7rhorz wrote

Ikr I’m so excited to try Steam OS on my main pc.


NexusOrBust t1_j7sw831 wrote

I don't love the direction things are going with Windows 11, so I'm more than willing to beta test a SteamOS desktop release.


roguebananah t1_j7tplrs wrote

I’m on 10 and I know at some point I’ll need to move to 11 and I have zero interest in it.

More bloat, more privacy violations, more bullshit Microsoft changed that never needed to be changed in the first place. Start menu, control panel is gonna be fucked and all.

Search I’m sure will still suck


OPsButthole6969 t1_j7tvp97 wrote

Have you tried the Everything app for PC that makes search way better?


roguebananah t1_j7u7ecg wrote

I have not! What is it? Hopefully like MacOS’s search?


OPsButthole6969 t1_j7uf33y wrote

Pretty much makes search instant and perfect. It will index the entire PC and when you search it's instant and looks for everything!


killiandw t1_j7xai8o wrote

Come to Linux I just made the switch. Using PopOS


roguebananah t1_j7xo6sr wrote

I’ve used Linux before (Mainly Ubuntu and Mint back about 10 years ago) and thought about it again but being a new Dad I just don’t have time to play around with getting configuration set up and all. Maybe again one day.

I’ll say a massive help to my gripes with Windows 10’s nonsense was a Powershell script that uninstalled a ton of bloat and allows you to uninstall stuff like Candy Crush and the Xbox app.

Wild how much trash it threw out


killiandw t1_j7z8yfy wrote

Oh no you removed candy crush. In my opinion the only games that should come with windows is solitaire , minesweeper, and that ski game from windows 3.1.

I totally get it I have a 2 year old. But I have to say the guys at system 76 made it out of the box ready and steam makes it so easy.


roguebananah t1_j7zokfz wrote

Any non-DLC or upselling type of game I have no issue with.


put_it_in_my_mouf t1_j7tvhew wrote

On the bright side they finally updated big picture to look like steamOS so that's nice


AcusTwinhammer t1_j7v3fv7 wrote

If by "bright side" you include breaking a lot of existing SteamLink functionality, sure. Got the new update yesterday, looks like it no longer understands having controllers/keyboards plugged into both the main computer and the SteamLink, so I wasn't able to properly use any inputs. Thought I would restart the SteamLink via the power option, apparently in the new Big Picture that powers down my actual PC. Not sure what the "Format SD card" option does, or even why it's there other than perhaps a lazy cut and paste of the UI.


put_it_in_my_mouf t1_j80qc4b wrote

Tbf it's not all that surprising an update broke a device that's been EOL for three years


TONKAHANAH t1_j7t19wo wrote

you can do it now with HoloISO, assuming you have an AMD card.

it would be nice to see valve put some effort into getting a system agnostic iso out into the world that they're supporting, or at least pay someone to work on it. I've not heard of them putting any sort of priority into getting a standard system ISO outinto the wild.

only thing that exists right now is HoloISO which is basically just the steamdeck recovery image cobbled together with other standard linux stuffs to make it work. It used to work with nvidia but according to the HoloISO page, its been updated with stuff that makes it just not work with nvidia at all.


the other issue currently is that kde via SteamOS isnt set to use wayland for some reason. that probably wouldnt be an issue in most cases, but it does feel like we're ready to move on from X11 and I'd prefer to see wayland be the default on an offical steamOS iso


PC-hris t1_j7t25jf wrote

I’ve tried using HoloISO but it didn’t really work out. I only have Nvidia graphics cards


TONKAHANAH t1_j7t3gzb wrote

yeah as it stands a lot of SteamOS relies on having AMD graphical chipsets to work properly which makes me think a standard ISO isnt gonna happen any time soon.


PC-hris t1_j7vupz4 wrote

They did say they plan to make a general use version of the os. Hopefully they do it soon


TONKAHANAH t1_j7w9eee wrote

Yeah but that was a long time ago and they've not made a single mention of it since.

I was expecting them to do this before updating big picture mode cuz that didn't seem like a high priority yet here we are.

Suppose maintaining a whole os for various hardware is more complicated though. Would be nice to hear if they've put any work into it.


sarlackpm t1_j7tzn8i wrote

Yeah, this is a game changer. Many Linux Distros have been ready for casual consumer desktop use for years now. I would have said Arch least of all actually! But here a major party has thrown their hat into a format/OS war.

On the one side there is windows, which has all the compatibility and packages that define the software universe, for better or worse. On the other side a system that is totally free and open, and now compatible with the two most important things for the casual computer and internet browsing.

If that's enough to get people to switch, the true power of a Linux OS will become apparent to any user soon enough, and then...I think there's no going back. Microsoft may even have to delete web office support in order to stay relevant.

It's like the early days of home computing again, diversity abounds and it's quite exciting.


tepig099 t1_j8d1gjt wrote

I can’t get videos in games to work on my Steam Deck and that’s a big bummer for me.


mkakram t1_j7tn98o wrote

That’s exactly what i was thinking when they released I really hope it works out and linux becomes more and more suitable for gaming


Omnisegaming t1_j7ve2r0 wrote

Valve also made a tool to help windows applications (mostly games) run natively on Linux with some success - it's not perfect and it depends on the kind of application, but more things that can be done on linux without a VM is a huge deal for an average user.


what595654 t1_j7w0grv wrote

Man, Ive tried switching to linux several times throughout the years. On the surface, it looks and works great. Especially, for basic things. Try to do anything remotely sophisticated and you are knee deep in terminal commands, outdated tutorials, and workaround hacks. Something that is either a non issue, or trivial to accomplish in Windows, becomes a day long project, and wasted time not getting the actual thing done.

Until Linux solves that, it isnt a realistic choice for many heavy workflows, or people who actually just need things to work, with time crunchs.


c010rb1indusa t1_j7w2q0c wrote

But that's the point of my post. The reason linux can get so complicated is because there is no 'default' distro or DE to build a consistent knowledge base around. In linux even if the distro under the hood is the same, the DEs aka the GUIs vary even among the same distro. There is Matte, Gnome, Cinnamon, KDE etc. are all popular so there is no way to know for sure that GUI has x settings panel, or the settings are in different places etc. But now focus is on Arch and KDE Plasma specifically. If a setting isn't available in the GUI, now someone can build it in themselves and they know it will just work on Arch and KDE Plasma, w/o having to worry about Ubuntu or Mint or Manjaro or any of the DEs I already listed. And that target audience will be PC gamers who are the pro-sumers that are savey enough for some DIY, but not to the extent that they want live or rely on the CLI, they will demand more elegant solutions. And this is the very crowd you need to win over cause they're the people that are going to tell their friends to build install SteamOS not Windows etc. They aren't the biggest market but it's the biggest pro-sumer demo in the PC space by far, and they act as the gatekeepers to wider acceptance among general audiences.


[deleted] t1_j7zrao9 wrote

This is a very bad outcome, though. The "default" district should not be Arch. It's an awful choice for mass adoption. And no, most PC gamers aren't going to want to DIY shit. I CAN do that, but I WANT to just install a normal OS and for it to work normally. Arch is the antithesis of that.

And frankly GNOME is a million times more polished than KDE.


c010rb1indusa t1_j80tty3 wrote

I mean DIY in a way that building and setting up your own Windows PC is DIY. Linux is far from that right now but if you are truly able to hide the CLI in 99% of cases that won't be the case that's my point.

And the distro doesn't matter, it's that Valve chose a specific distro and DE to go with. They could have build SteamOS on Debian and gnome and I would have been just as excited and thought SteamOS had just as much promise. The point is when someone goes to google how to do something or troubleshoot or w/e, they are given clear instructions how to do it through the UI, not through the CLI. There needs to be consensus with the UI/UX, does't matter what that consensus is, just that there's consensus.


[deleted] t1_j80u5fv wrote

I'm not debating this with you. If you care about Linux adoption at all, and you seem to do, you need to learn that you're dead wrong about this.


c010rb1indusa t1_j80ujbd wrote

Lol what a reply! "You're wrong, you don't understand anything I'm done debating you." How convincing.


[deleted] t1_j80w60q wrote

I mean this very honestly and very sincerely: a lot of Linux nerds are literally incapable of seeing the problem with Linux. And I mean it when I say literally. You think Linux is good because you are incapable of perceiving the flaws everyone else sees. So it's pointless to argue with you or debate you. It's like trying to debate a blind man about whether or not the Moon exists. It's there, but he can't see it regardless. The only way you're ever going to understand this is by inferring it through the fact that users don't like using Linux. And even then you ignore that conclusion by assuming it's because of other forces at work.


killiandw t1_j7xa8gp wrote

Steamdeck convinced me it was time to switch to Linux. Tried it years ago and failed with wine but streams proton layer is just amazing. As far as arch being the default I guess but I went with pop cause of the support


spaceminions t1_j7zf3h4 wrote

Ubuntu and it's derivatives were already very n00b popular.


c010rb1indusa t1_j7zz054 wrote

No it never was.

That's what linux needs to overcome.


[deleted] t1_j80iwty wrote

And you think Arch overcomes this problem?


c010rb1indusa t1_j80vplr wrote

No Arch nor KDE plasma have nothing to do with it specifically. It's that there is now a 'default' UI/UX that general consensus can be built around. That's what important. Valve could have chosen debian+gnome for SteamOS I would have felt the same way. Ubuntu tried to be noob friendly, but it's been offered with several different DEs. And Linux Mint which is meant to be the most like Windows, has existed for years with the cinnamon DE that is different from what Ubunutu would ship with and/or recommend over the years. Windows doesn't have the best UX/UI, but people freaked out when Windows 8 removed the start menu because it was different, not that it was necessarily worse. You need UI/UX consensus for a desktop OS to grow in the mainstream. Hell Windows still has the legacy control panel with redundant settings because it's difficult to not only redesign but to replicate the UI/UX w/ the new settings panel even though the new settings menu debuted in Windows 8 almost 10 years ago!


spaceminions t1_j82ngau wrote

It's a lot bigger deal to do the arch thing than to use a less-common DE if you aren't changing it a lot. (the arch thing being "if you were really 1337 you'd compile your audio drivers from scratch instead of complaining that they're not preloaded!" in my mind lol). Windows is a nightmare and I am glad I don't have to work for MS.


spaceminions t1_j82n5a0 wrote

I've been less than impressed with that channel for a long time, so I didn't watch that, but I think it would help if I mention that my definition of n00b popular is for non-gaming purposes. Ubuntu (and to a lesser extent Mint, although I prefer to use that one) is universally understood as a very convenient and perfectly decent platform that's basically guaranteed to have people who've already used whatever software you need to run. There are more minimalist distros, which may be reasonable to use as a base for tweaking and optimizing, but if you want to spin up a machine in a limited amount of time and have everything you need as soon as possible, it's great for that. Doesn't even make you stop and remember commands, because you can count on the GUI way of changing whatever you want to be reasonable.


[deleted] t1_j80iprt wrote

The fact that you think Arch+KDE being established as the "default" distro would improve Linux's ability to compete with Windows is an outstanding example of why Linux doesn't and likely never will. It's closer to a worst-case scenario.


c010rb1indusa t1_j80sm3p wrote

It doesn't matter which distro or DE Valve chose, just that a distro and DE were chosen period. I said better or for worse for a reason. Having a consistent design language and UX is what is needed for the Linux Desktop. Normal people don't want to mess around with the CLI and any FAQ/guide isn't going to show you how to do something in every popular DE available. People lost their minds when Windows removed the start menu from Windows 8. Didn't matter if it was better or worse, it was different.


[deleted] t1_j80tfyp wrote

Yes, it absolutely does matter, because the choice they've made as the "default" is the most expressly antithetical to mass adoption. If that's the platform that most people know about, if that's the platform most guides are tailored toward, it's going to hurt Linux adoption. You're saying you're excited for this and I'm telling you you shouldn't be unless you own stock in Microsoft or Apple.


ragnarmcryan t1_j7qwqyx wrote

That dog is pissed


TheRageDragon t1_j7rkilc wrote

"You said we can go for a walk in 10 minutes. It's been 2 hours, Greg!"


THEGR4NDWA20O t1_j7urui9 wrote

Our dog hates when he has to sit between my wife and I when we are both using ours on the couch!


HeartlessEmpathy t1_j7sifn7 wrote

Its the perfect emulation machine, hotel travel machine, on the plane machine, remote streaming machine, second machine, tinkering machine.

It is not the perfect main console, hassle free pickup and go machine. But man the sandbox nature of it is great. 0 regrets.


trethompson t1_j7ul7di wrote

I initially preordered it for travel, as I was traveling monthly for work when preorders dropped. Didn't end up receiving it until right before moving closer to my office, so it sat collecting dust for a little while. Then some decent docks came out, and now it's doing a great job as a stand-in for a console when I want to play in the living room.

In-home remote play works 9/10 times for 1440p high settings, and when it doesn't I can still run most games local at 1080p 60fps. Forgot how much I missed couch gaming until I got this setup.


HeartlessEmpathy t1_j7unae8 wrote

Very nice! We did it opposite. I used mine when traveling, then stopped traveling. It sat a little until the dock came in, then same as you, the couch machine.

Im not sure if you played with moonlight before, but I use that to stream games remote play doesnt support (Forza), and generally its equal ot better than the latter.


trethompson t1_j7usq7i wrote

I have not, I'll have to give it a shot! How do you find the Bluetooth range on it? I've been having some trouble with my controller and keyboard having to sit at a weird angle in relation to where my dock is.


HeartlessEmpathy t1_j7v585x wrote

I havent had any issues, just using a switch pro controller. But it sits at most 8 feet away.


VanillaBovine t1_j7zerbk wrote

question for when you play in your living room because i just got one- my xbox/usb is not working

ive read a few tricks on how to get it but even after trying them all it hasnt worked, so ill probably go get a new controller.

what controller do you use that works well?


trethompson t1_j7zgolh wrote

I'm using a DualShock 4 that I've had for years. Paired pretty easily and typically works fine. I mentioned some Bluetooth issues but I think it's just interference from other devices. The only real problem is if I'm inactive in a game for more than a few minutes the controller inputs will only work in the OS, so I have to close and reopen it. Weird bug but don't encounter it too much.


VanillaBovine t1_j7zhj6v wrote

appreciate the response! yea im torn between going out and getting just the new bluetooth xbox ones or if i should just order some sort of steam controller. I may need to look into dualshocks now too


trethompson t1_j8090tr wrote

You're using just a standard cabled Xbox controller? It's odd that you aren't having any luck with it. Steam controllers aren't produced anymore so idk what prices are like on those, but I'd suggest just picking up a used Bluetooth Xbox/ps4 controller and trying it out.


VanillaBovine t1_j809wbu wrote

yea but it's one of the older ones that uses the wireless USB connection. I've had it for probably 6 years now so may be time to get a newer model hahaha


HouseAnt0 t1_j89q837 wrote

Try FSR, Elden Ring on a tv looks great at 720p with FSR.


DynamicHunter t1_j8070zs wrote

Yup. I bought it to essentially replace my switch (I still play smash bros online so not fully replaced, but replaced for travel. Played a few games on the plane yesterday, and doing PSP emulation gives this thing a LONGG battery life. Also super grateful for the back buttons for emulator shortcuts or other controller config options, like just adding keybinds for a lot of games that have multiple menu shortcuts using tab, esc, I for inventory, m for map, b for binocular, p for skills, etc.


AsIfIKnowWhatImDoin t1_j7tq0cs wrote

Yep, a $1K gadget toy you spend endless hours on updating and patching. Perfect market for it, I'm sure.


PapiCats t1_j7u9e6p wrote

The most expensive model doesn’t come close to $1000 dude. Get real lol


misterv3 t1_j7u0fyj wrote

PS4's updates were endlessly obstructing me playing games. Not once has a steam deck update been a problem. (PS5 also a lot better now)


UglyInThMorning t1_j7uhkun wrote

I have spent basically zero effort “updating and patching” my deck. I have played an embarrassing amount of games on it though.


AsIfIKnowWhatImDoin t1_j7v4qrj wrote

Dude, because it's NEW.


UglyInThMorning t1_j7v58in wrote

It’s a year old in like a week. The actual patching and updating is easy and in the background, I have never had to go into the system to tweak shit to get it to work.


How_CanWill_Slap t1_j7rzzxa wrote

I have one. They are not for everyone. You need a bit of tech know how, or at least who to ask. I struggle through and consider myself savvy, but I have tons of questions about my personal Steam Deck issues. It is a good machine and can do many things, but it is going to make you ask nicely.


Jaydee888 t1_j7sag3l wrote

Honestly one of the easiest fixes I’ve used is streaming from my pc at home. I’m in hotels a lot and play using hardware that would just be idle at my house.


MetaDragon11 t1_j7uet6u wrote

Yeah but you need a really fast and consistent internet connection, something I doubt a hotel will have in spades


Jaydee888 t1_j7unj37 wrote

If you can stream 720p YouTube videos you can stream a game to the deck. Most hotels I stay at that this is not a problem.


Lovat69 t1_j7tdpr8 wrote

How do you stream from your PC at home when you are elsewhere? I know it can connect through Bluetooth but I assume that would be way too far.


wildfire393 t1_j7u6imd wrote

Android has an app called Steam Link that lets you stream remotely from your PC to your phone. Throw in a Razer Kishi or similar and you have a budget Steam Deck anywhere you have a strong enough internet connection.

Presumably you can do something similar with the actual Steam Deck since it's mostly just Remote Desktop with some extra support.


Ricky_Rollin t1_j7udt5q wrote

How does one need to leave their PC in order for this to work? Does it need to be on-on like windows is booted up and you’re looking at your desktop? Or can I leave it in sleep?


wildfire393 t1_j7ue7wd wrote

It does need to be booted up and awake, which hasn't been an issue for me as I have that computer running continuously for other reasons too (like running an Airsonic media server). But there's some things you can do to have it wakeable when you try to connect:


Ricky_Rollin t1_j7ugsly wrote

Oooh neat!

I’ll take it I need to make sure I leave steam open as well right? It won’t open it automatically for me?


Jaydee888 t1_j7uc2xk wrote

The steam deck uses your internet connection, it connects to your pc at home running steam and will launch the game on it remotely then it is streamed back to the deck. Obviously you need a half decent internet connection. But if you can watch a YouTube video without buffering you can stream a game.


Gene_is_green t1_j7tk600 wrote

Is this satire ? Bluetooth over miles ?

Y’all downvoting me but just going to ignore something thinking that they could connect Bluetooth from miles away. That’s regarded asf.


elev8dity t1_j7vbpkp wrote

I honestly don't put much effort into my deck. I just download the games that say they work natively and play those. Sometimes I adjust the GPU settings and set the framerate to 40 fps locked, but that's about all I do and I haven't run into an issue yet. I love that I can just power off and on quick and just start up right where I left off. My main beef is battery life and I wish it could run Elden at 120 FPS but I know that's not realistic lmao.


Awkwardtreesloth t1_j7taff1 wrote

Cries in Australian.😢


rsklogin t1_j7tonjo wrote

Same from India. I wish companies (looking at you too Nintendo) would prioritise more markets. They've got so much market potential to tap. This is where sony shines.

There isn't a single country where the Playstation isn't sold.


jb32647 t1_j7tvrj6 wrote

India has really bad tarrifs, and Australia's market is so spread out so we're kinda stuck. Oh well, at least the Border Gavaskar started today.


JamesDFlower t1_j7ypcfp wrote

Australias population is in basically 5 cities No reason they can’t have it here in the modern world


JamesDFlower t1_j7ypcre wrote

Australias population is in basically 5 cities No reason they can’t have it here in the modern world


Wazoo_destroyer t1_j83340s wrote

Valve is still buthurt from when the aus regulator said they couldn't just write up their own limited warranty. The regulator said you have to follow mandatory aus consumer protection laws and valve cried then closed up shop.


Ricky_Rollin t1_j7udhy9 wrote

Which is crazy to me because just from a pure moneymaking perspective, India has 1 billion people. I like those odds.


OPsButthole6969 t1_j7tvxli wrote

It's a new console. I'm sure V2 will sell in many more markets once they can actually afford that kind of risk.


Awkwardtreesloth t1_j7u79bs wrote

Haven’t seen the index in Australia yet. Valve are pretty risk averse when it comes to hardware.


Wazoo_destroyer t1_j8338b6 wrote

Valve will never sell in Aus again. Their feeling got hurt by the aus consumer protection regulator and they threw a tantrum.


elev8dity t1_j7vb53d wrote

Valve usually select retail partners to handle their sales abroad. I know they use Komodo as their partner in Japan, HK, SK, and Taiwan. They have a partner in Australia for the Valve Index, but it took them two years to get there. Hopefully they get faster at global availability.


CMDR_KingErvin t1_j7uthyy wrote

Man I feel bad for Australian gamers with those crazy prices you get too.


GordoG60 t1_j7uwi5d wrote

SteamDeck is what I have dreamed about as a gamer for a long time. I have a long train commute. I love being able to pick up right where I left off on my PC. This is what I hoped the PS Vita could have been. It bothered me forever that Xbox did not have something like this. It is fantastic! Valheim, Uncharted, God of War are amazing on it


howAboutNextWeek t1_j7t5kvg wrote

Is that Dead Cells? 10/10 game choice for the stock picture


Abraham_Lincoln t1_j7u3yjf wrote

switch has Dead cells and feels better (lighter) in the hands. IMHO best picture to sell it would be a non switch game that's traditionally been seen as a console exclusive but has since been made available on Steam and optimized for the deck.


Your_Local_Rabbi t1_j7ux787 wrote

the switch is definitely lighter, but i much prefer the way the steam deck feels in my hands, the switch's controllers are too boxy and flat, and i never have the proper space for all my fingers to sit comfortably


AutoGeek3000 t1_j7ycqvf wrote

Agreed. My kids have switches, but when I tried my friend's steam deck I was like, "Yes, this is made for adults" ... Even though it's heavier, it feels sooo much better.


Andulias t1_j7uxn2e wrote

Interestingly enough I found the Switch to feel shockingly awful. Mushy buttons, triggers that offer no resistance and by far the worst thumb sticks I have ever used. I almost feel like the PSP nipple is better than those abominations.

The Deck meanwhile fits very snuggly into my hands. Within half an hour it felt like I have had the device for years.


sockydraws t1_j7sx2qd wrote

I’m waiting for the revision where the steam deck hardware is married with their Index VR hardware for a Quest competitor.


ncopp t1_j7usks2 wrote

Seems like this would be the logical next step if they're still interested in the VR market


KevMike t1_j7v2jlg wrote

There's the deckard rumor floating around, so who knows....


Nilay431 t1_j7s5s3f wrote

Are the none steam games easily playable or do you have to “hack” it? I feel like with Xbox games pass, battle net, epic, gog etc having access to just one PC store is pretty limiting even if it is the biggest store.


c010rb1indusa t1_j7skkyw wrote

I think you'll see going forward that Steam Deck support will be a day 1 priority for most, if not all new PC releases. Even it's just to avoid the bad PR.


Chazay t1_j7vb6pl wrote

The green checkmark is the first thing I look at when buying a game now. If it's not verified, then I skip it. I don't see why any good developer would skip the Steam deck when publishing a game in the future, especially if they have a PC and Switch version.


TooLazyToRepost t1_j7x9z3t wrote

Would there be mainstream bad PR? Not saying it wouldn't be bad, just having a hard time seeing headlines about not supporting the #4 consoles. There's exclusives all the time.


LeMageTank t1_j7s8l1i wrote

It's really simple, you can install any third party storefronts, download your games, then import them into your steam library. You can also install windows for any unsupported games on proton, which is only a slight pain in the ass.


poboy975 t1_j7sbm5p wrote

I've been running Linux full time for quite a few years now, and i have a 512gb Steam Deck. In my experience, 80% of my library just works without tweaking due to proton. Maybe 15% requires minor tweaking, easily found instructions for online, the last 5% either requires major tweaking or just flat out doesn't run. Most of those don't run very well on windows either due to bad optimisations.

Linux isn't difficult, it just takes some patience to learn. Most things now don't need command line interface to do, but it doesn't hurt to learn the basics.


scootunit t1_j7sm4t8 wrote

Can it run vcv rack?


poboy975 t1_j7stitx wrote

I don't know, that's not one I've tried honestly. A quick Google search says there is a Linux version though, so it should.


mrforrest t1_j7tvnjr wrote

Oh fuck that is a use case I hadn't considered


crossandbones t1_j7tpykx wrote

Pretty much any game or storefront can be downloaded. The biggest restriction I’ve seen is anti-cheat for specific games. You could always install Windows on a Steam Deck if a particular game is a must have (haven’t done it myself so your mileage may vary).


TONKAHANAH t1_j7t2c8d wrote

there are ways to play them. technically even as it is the steam (non-linux native) games are "hacked" to work so its kinda all with in perspective but you dont ever have to "hack" anything like you would have to hack/jail break a nintendo console to run emulators on it.

for example, there is a third party launcher for downloading/launching games from the epic store and gog in a similar way that steam launches its windows titles (think it even just uses a version of proton for it). it should be available in the desktop mode app store so you dont even need to go out on a web browser to set any of it up. in some ways getting a lot of the games going is more "built in" than even windows.

some things simply wont really work, game pass for example will probably never work outside of streaming.


Lovat69 t1_j7te3q2 wrote

The first thing I did after turning on my deck the first time was look up and follow online instructions to get the epic launcher to work on the steam deck. I couldn't tell you now what I did, but I didn't have any great difficulty following the instructions. The epic launcher opens. I can play the games I have through Epic just fine. The only problem I have is instead of closing the epic launcher normally I have to force close it. I have yet to set up Xbox PC game pass. I don't know if a work around for that has been found yet.


ci_newman t1_j7tj5hh wrote

Gamepass works fine, although you need to have the premium subscription so you can use their streaming service.


IFailedTuringTestAMA t1_j7utglo wrote

You don’t need to “hack” it because it’s open source and encouraged. It’s a computer.

I stream Gamepass cloud games and the option to do so is set up in my Steam as a non Steam game. It was trivial to do all this and I don’t know much about computers tbh.


MoldyLunchBoxxy t1_j7uj86i wrote

Steam deck is so good. I am happy I got it and now I don’t ever want to buy another crappy handheld console from any other company. This has opened up my eyes on how good gaming can get.


yasuewho t1_j7vg4y3 wrote

Just chiming in that it's great for those of us with physical limitations. I can't play most games at a desktop PC for long periods anymore because of feeling loss in my hands and issues with my neck and back, but I can play with the Steam Deck. I actually find it more comfortable than any controllers I tried. I can prop it on a pillow in a way that makes it more ergonomic than a console and controller combo.


eist5579 t1_j8aeyn9 wrote

Geriatric gamers unite!

I just got the binbok joycon replacements for my switch for similar reasons.


DamnMombies t1_j7wamlp wrote

I’ll take, “what did I forget I owned” for $500 Alex.


Niruprup t1_j7uztet wrote

Question to the deck owners in here.....


Buy one now or wait for an updated one?


Also, does it matter which version you go with?


Thanks for any help!


MrAwesomeTG t1_j7v05wz wrote

Buy now and enjoy it. Waiting for the next ones like saying I'm not going to buy the PlayStation 5 because the PlayStation 6 is coming out.


Niruprup t1_j7v0pfh wrote

Thanks for the reply! I think I will pull the trigger, my buddy had me convinced an updated one would be available fairly soon.


MrAwesomeTG t1_j7v0y2b wrote

I got mine December and I played everyday. Crushing my back log and playing games I thought I'll never play before. Best thing I ever bought.


elev8dity t1_j7vc72f wrote

I bought the cheapest one and just bought a couple PNY XLR8 512GB MicroSD cards and I am super happy with it.


SnizzyYT t1_j7yduq5 wrote

Most of the games I play on mine aren’t games I’m worried about playing on ultra. It’s a small screen, medium graphics on most games looks great. I replayed all of the Bethesda fallout games and yes, fallout 76. Never had an issue playing any of those on high.


Nwball t1_j7zm9fq wrote

Buy one now if you want one, if the next version comes out you’ll have the same debate if you should wait for the next one after.

Unless the anti glare screen is an absolute must have, Go with the cheapest model and upgrade the storage in your own. The process of upgrading the storage is super simple. the price difference between a 512 gb vs 64 gb steam decks is $250, where you can get a compatible 512 gb nvme for $90.

Also they sell anti glare screen protectors as well.


Sailrjup12 t1_j7vczk8 wrote

We sat waiting for the opening to pre order and we’re in the top 20! We love our Steam Deck.


beebs44 t1_j7wnphi wrote

Dumb question. Is it worth buying now? Or will they be putting out newer models SOON?


[deleted] t1_j7z0ebg wrote

The steam deck is dead lol there won’t be a 2nd version.

Hell first version not then selling enough to recoup any loses developing it.

It’s next steam machine


PSWII t1_j7x4qyr wrote

Any reason to get a steam deck if your pc is playing everything ok already?


SnizzyYT t1_j7ydy6o wrote

Playing games casually when you can’t play on your actual machine. If handheld doesn’t appeal to you, don’t sweat it. I primarily play on my steam deck over my main rig now.


THound89 t1_j87k8ed wrote

I have a decent laptop for gaming but also like to have twitch off to the side and generally doesn’t like doing both at once. This seems like a good option to play on while streaming from my laptop, also seems more convenient when wanting to chill in bed. Also a little cumbersome setting up a laptop to project to a tv when this is more portable.


iceleel t1_j8a6484 wrote

No unless you want linux device that may run in trouble in certain games, with battery, and smaller inferior screen to one you already have.


And of course kinda pushes you to use gamepad instead of mouse the superior PC master race input.


SnizzyYT t1_j7ydozf wrote

It is responsible for my sleep loss. I have gotten so much use out of my steam deck and it’s hands down the most I’ve played games in the last ten years. The operating system is great and easy to understand, the only thing I had to tinker with was downloading a proton plug in to get New World to run but that game is not even remotely made for using a controller. I’m not a Linux user and I’ve had no issues with it even in desktop mode. It might be the best tech purchase I’ve ever made.


Bhagswag t1_j8147k7 wrote

My biggest gripe with modern day portable devices is that battery life is disasterous. Like an hour or two of portable gaming at mediocre graphics is not good enough. The CPUGPU are good enough, just the battery stuff needs to get better.


iceleel t1_j8a5u7u wrote

It's not sold in stores because of Gaben. So irrelevant.


Erosion_Control t1_j7u3ae4 wrote

Anyone else not at all interested in a handheld gaming device?


PapiCats t1_j7u9hc3 wrote

There’s more than 7 billion people on this planet and you’re asking if there’s anyone else but you?


Erosion_Control t1_j7ubxhl wrote

I was thinking more along the lines of those in r/gadgets, to start


MetaDragon11 t1_j7ufjgj wrote

Well its funny. The etymological roots of the word gadget means "small tool."

Handheld gaming fits perfectly within that definition, so I would imagine this reddit would have a higher instance than most of liking it than not.


elev8dity t1_j7vcwm0 wrote

I wasn't really interested in handheld gaming, but I bought one because I love my Valve Index and was curious as to what the hype was. I figured I could sell it if I didn't use it much. I don't use it a ton, because VR is still my primary gaming hobby, but if I do play a flat game, it's always on the Deck and not on my TV anymore.


BaggyHairyNips t1_j7tiwf0 wrote

Steam deck is kind of cool. I'm 0% interested in purchasing one.


smad333 t1_j7to9e0 wrote

It's not


BandsOfCyttorak t1_j7tdc67 wrote

I’m going to wait for v2. There are better options you can get outside of the US in just about every category.


Andulias t1_j7uy70v wrote

Do tell, what is better at a similar price point?


xSuperSlaiyanx t1_j7v2bkh wrote

Sure there are, for at least double the price of the top tier model...


BandsOfCyttorak t1_j899o2j wrote

Why the downvotes? My Ayaneo beats the steam deck in every category. Yes it’s more expensive, but you get what you pay for. Also, Steam deck can’t play all steam games, hilariously.