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Vracity t1_j9zkbex wrote

This is effective

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russian_hacker_1917 t1_j9zrceo wrote

it's wild how these tracking devices only started getting attention when it started alerting you about them. Then not alerting you is much worse

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KarmaPharmacy t1_j9zsgw7 wrote

Every single law enforcement agency should purchase multiple of these.

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Automatic_Praline_70 t1_j9zt6ed wrote

Any time an airtag is following you, you get a notice on your phone and you can make that airtag play a sound.

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parker1019 t1_ja00r86 wrote

Lol… how long till apple steals this and seals as there own.

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the_varky t1_ja032o9 wrote

Replying to more_beans_mrtaggart (#2,001,660)

Yes, but per the linked article: "It's true, though, that AirTags can take at least hours before a user gets a tracking alert on their iPhones."

Another source: "Currently, users will receive an alert at a random period between eight and 24 hours once an unknown AirTag has been detected traveling with them." [https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/10/22927374/apple-airtag-safety-update-stalking]

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I suppose you could say you should always be scanning for an AirTag on you at all times with any phone, and yes I guess that would solve that problem.

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ispeakdatruf t1_ja04uuu wrote

Apple has an Android app for detecting airtags nearby.

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Bodatheyoda t1_ja092p8 wrote

Airlines are gonna by buying these and scanning every piece of luggage and taking them out so people cant find their lost luggage.

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PhunnyS7uff t1_ja096rc wrote

What about when a thief steals something? Wouldn’t this defeat the purpose of hiding an airtag on that item if they can find it right away?

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more_beans_mrtaggart t1_ja0a1k4 wrote

Replying to the_varky (#2,004,492)

> Yes, but per the linked article: “It’s true, though, that AirTags can take at least hours before a user gets a tracking alert on their iPhones.”

That’s not my experience. I get pinged within seconds when my daughter is nearby with her handbag AirTag.

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scsibusfault t1_ja0ap57 wrote

Replying to more_beans_mrtaggart (#2,005,784)

Alert is not the same as tracking alert, I believe.

From what I've read, they implemented a "an unfamiliar airtag appears to have been near you for an unusual amount of time" alert. Because the most likely cause of that is someone planted a tag near you.

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scsibusfault t1_ja0dh10 wrote

Replying to more_beans_mrtaggart (#2,005,928)

... right. I think the point is, it's faster to notify you of a known tag nearby.

It would obviously take longer to compile the data of whether or not a tag has been near you for a while, to indicate possible tracking.

Just pointing out that your original comment about it not being your experience (that it takes hours) could easily be explained by the fact that it's notifying you of a tag you commonly interact with.

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BedrockFarmer t1_ja0fd71 wrote

As usual, no one read the article. This is just some shitty kickstarter scam. The product doesn’t exist.

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Likely_Satire t1_ja0h0s5 wrote

Replying to tabascodinosaur (#2,006,572)

If you don't think you should have to download a free app, I don't think you'll be inclined to purchase this device either.
Also; tracking people like this isn't new technology. There are many other brands out there like Tile with less safety precautions which would be better for stalking.
I get people are getting stalked regardless; but it has to be at a WAYYY less rate than more covert trackers.

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Miss_Speller t1_ja0i3sj wrote

Replying to BedrockFarmer (#2,006,595)

It can't possibly be a scam - the company has ties to law enforcement!

>As with any Kickstarter, product shipment is not guaranteed, and there is little if any recourse if the project goes bad. However, given that the company has ties to law enforcement, they are likely motivated to ship the product, and not defraud backers.

/s

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iwasneverhere0301 t1_ja0k2s2 wrote

But what if it’s not hidden? How does it know the difference between a hidden tag and a not hidden tag?

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iHiTuDiE t1_ja0khf7 wrote

Replying to more_beans_mrtaggart (#2,005,928)

My brother placed an air tag in his sons backpack. When I pick up my nephew from school, I would get the notification hours later. It was a very strange notification the first couple of times, til I looked closer at the notification, saw the route and made the connection.

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DFLOYD70 t1_ja0nura wrote

There’s a big issue in the moving industry, because customers are putting them in their shipments to track them across the country. Some drivers are against it, and some are ok with it. I imagine that soon it will be come standard that people should know where their stuff is. I mean you can track a piece of mail or a box, why not all of your worldly possessions?

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tabascodinosaur t1_ja0x42k wrote

Replying to AgnosticStopSign (#2,007,130)

They're enabling it with their tech and the design of the distributed tracking system, where other people's devices can be used to track others without the consent of the parties involved.

You don't need to be intimate, people are having their cars tagged to be stolen later, for instance, by having a airtag thrown into the wheel well. People are being stalked by exes, and their own devices are sending their location back without any way to disable it. This is a bad design.

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tabascodinosaur t1_ja0xkrj wrote

Replying to Likely_Satire (#2,006,906)

Just because the app is free doesn't mean I should be forced to use it to protect myself.

I'm not purchasing the device, I'm concerned about people tracking folks without their consent.

Tile doesn't phone home via devices with no intervention of the users. Tile is opt-in to send data. My phone won't taddle on me to the Tile servers without my consent. Apple isn't allowing users to choose whether their phone is participating in the tracking network or not.

Other trackers aren't nearly as disposable, available, or covert. A device with a GPS antenna and a modem will run out of battery in a few days. An Airtag can last months.

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DirectStreamDVR t1_ja0xvbs wrote

Replying to Bodatheyoda (#2,005,623)

A good way to prevent this would be to Keep your airtag on your person , put them in your luggage after tsa and then check your bags at the gate. This will likely bypass the point where they would remove them.

Make sure you call ahead though and make sure your airline offers gate checkage.

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TypicalJeepDriver t1_ja0xzqf wrote

Replying to the_varky (#2,004,492)

Oddly enough my moms AirTag notifies me when she’s riding in the car with me for 10-15 minutes to the grocery store. Between 8-24 hours is not even close to the amount of time before it notifies you in my experience.

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AgnosticStopSign t1_ja0z5bh wrote

Replying to tabascodinosaur (#2,009,843)

You keep blaming criminal use for the reason it shouldnt exist as it does.

Following your logic, luxury cars from lets say, bugatti, should be banned because people can abuse their high speed as getaway vehicles, even though theyre intended to be investment vehicles

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Likely_Satire t1_ja19e9q wrote

Replying to tabascodinosaur (#2,009,932)

A quick google search found me a list of comparable luggage trackers (https://www.travelandleisure.com/best-luggage-trackers-and-smart-tags-6826825).
If you scroll down on that link, the 'LandAirSea 54 GPS Tracker' seems to fit the exact description I'm going for.
It's small/black, has a high power magnet built in (makes it easy to stick under cars), 4G LTE SIM card capabilities (allows for data to be transmitted once every 3 seconds), and has a battery that can last 1 week - 6 months in low power mode... All for $30 which is the same cost as an Apple Airtag.
Your point is that you shouldn't have to defend yourself because apple made an easily exploitable tag... Which is valid; but my point is very much true that stalkers who care about getting away with tracking you probably wouldn't use a tracker that alerts people It's there if you have a certain phone or get an app. They'll use one like I described or one more capable/expensive and track you with that. This technology isn't as new as you think it is 🤷‍♂️

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Battlesteg_Five t1_ja1c1sd wrote

Replying to DFLOYD70 (#2,008,051)

What’s the issue though?

So, people can now track their stuff while it’s being shipped. But what problems does that lead to?

The only thing I can think of would be, people harassing their moving companies and getting angry because they don’t understand the route, which would be annoying, but doesn’t seem serious.

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turbo_nudist t1_ja1es0s wrote

Replying to jmnugent (#2,006,473)

it takes ~8 hours for a notification to appear if the thief has an iphone.

solved this by just having TWO airtags in my vehicles. i’ve recovered both my motorcycle and my jeep from theft with the help of airtags/airpods

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CptUnderpants- t1_ja1k37g wrote

AirGuard on Android works pretty well. It will alert you after an airtag, tile, or other known types of tracker has travelled with you for a little while. That way you don't get false alarms.

And you can tell it to manually scan.

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turbo_nudist t1_ja1qcmz wrote

Replying to SMEGMA_SALADS (#2,015,402)

seattle haha, it’s a shitshow.

put an airtag in the seat of my motorcycle, and it got stolen a few months later, chased the guy around riding it for a while and got it back the same morning.

same thing with my car, but with a set of airpods that now have an airtag built in to them. cops got it back about an hour after it was stolen

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jimmyco2008 t1_ja1qcwg wrote

Replying to morbnowhere (#2,010,615)

Bluetooth devices have IDs like MAC Addresses. It would be feasible to spoof say a laptop to look like AirTags but changing the MAC address of a little thing like an AirTag would be incredibly difficult

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h3xkey t1_ja1yaps wrote

$499 with at least 25% price increase for an BT scanner? Ripoff.

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TheKingOfDub t1_ja22fxz wrote

This could be made with an ESP32 in about 10 minutes

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dclxvi616 t1_ja2911d wrote

Replying to tabascodinosaur (#2,009,932)

> Apple isn't allowing users to choose whether their phone is participating in the tracking network or not.

Eh? Disable "offline finding" in 'Find My' settings and your iOS, iPadOS, or macOS device won't participate in the tracking network.

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wtf--dude t1_ja2afo4 wrote

Replying to Battlesteg_Five (#2,012,622)

There is also the matter of privacy/safety of the workers.

Edit: yes downvote me all you want. But would you like it if anyone could just track you all day? There are pros and cons to be weighted here. But this is for sure a con.

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0235 t1_ja2ekpk wrote

Replying to turbo_nudist (#2,013,099)

As much as I hate apple (and I mean hate apple) and prefer android (though I don't love it), airtags are not the problem. It's pretty much every other device trying to do a similar thing.

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Kwintty7 t1_ja2gcpr wrote

Replying to Bodatheyoda (#2,005,623)

I don't think it's good business practice, or legal, for airlines to steal items from passengers luggage, then return the luggage. It's difficult to claim that all airtags were "lost" from inside cases.

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anengineerandacat t1_ja2zbd1 wrote

Replying to Battlesteg_Five (#2,012,622)

Very mild argument that one could ship something valuable and have the boys rob the shipper and the one who shipped can get their product back and claim on the shipping insurance.

Personally though I feel the pros outweigh the cons and folks just really get upset because it shows incompetence in actually shipping something.

Folks have been throwing these into luggages and finding out their shit is stuck in a hallway somewhere nearby rather than where the airliner thinks it is.

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SoraUsagi t1_ja310ih wrote

Replying to more_beans_mrtaggart (#2,018,380)

Absolutely. Both are less than useful. While I'm not worried about it, it would be nice to have a standalone, always on device that always sweeps. Or maybe something you could plug into the. Car that does a sweep every time you start the car.

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FeloniousFunk t1_ja319ie wrote

Replying to Acidflare1 (#2,019,380)

There are a ton of shady movers in the industry trying to make a buck by cutting down overhead. They’ll move your stuff into a storage unit until they can combine it with other clients’ stuff into a larger (semi) truck headed in the same direction.

This level of coordination requires quite a network to work smoothly which most don’t have, hence the excessive delays and demands for more money. Possibly the worst part is that they’re staffed by the absolute cheapest day-laborers available who probably don’t care about treating your property with respect.

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FixTheGrammar t1_ja3abu4 wrote

Replying to wtf--dude (#2,018,849)

> would you like it if anyone could just track you all day?

If I’m on the clock and working for these people? Um, yes? And the workers aren’t being tracked. The personal possessions in their care are.

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Bodatheyoda t1_ja3cvsv wrote

Replying to Kwintty7 (#2,019,606)

So there's been a huge issue lately with airlines "losing" people's luggage. People who have had air tags in them find them at random people's homes, then those same bags later end up in a warehouse, then another warehouse, all the while the airlines being basically uncooperative, even when confronted with the information from airtags. I'm not saying airlines are stealing luggage, but it's just really, really weird.

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wtf--dude t1_ja3hbu4 wrote

Replying to FixTheGrammar (#2,024,994)

Working for these people is quite the stretch. You will be tracked a whole day because a small part of your day is about their cargo.

I guess I am glad we have better privacy laws in EU.

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Interesting_Reach_29 t1_ja3u0sk wrote

Every phone maker should have this. I’m disgusted that only iPhones can sense them. This all women need for stalker problems….

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random125184 t1_ja4cyiv wrote

Can it find a tile with anti-theft feature enabled, or a similar device?

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Suekru t1_ja5b82k wrote

Replying to wtf--dude (#2,026,294)

You aren’t being tracked, the luggage/package is. You just happen to be near it.

They don’t know anything about you so I would hardly say you are being tracked.

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Suekru t1_ja5btm8 wrote

Replying to Bodatheyoda (#2,025,510)

Yeah, but if they intentionally removed your AirTag that would put guilt on them. An AirTag still is a belonging to the person and removing it would be considered stealing on top of the obviously malicious intent they have by removing it.

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Forged_Originals t1_ja5e41u wrote

I love the market of technology to fight other technology that is arising.

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Professional-One-442 t1_ja6tr92 wrote

I think this taps into a fear that is larger then the actual threat. I use them on bikes and luggage I’ll probably find some more uses.

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elPocket t1_ja70yd4 wrote

Replying to kamekaze1024 (#2,016,399)

So what you're saying is, its fine for a worker to be surveilled and harassed by customers?

Where do you work? How would you react if customers surveilled your every move and harrassed you because you took a leak or got a coffee instead of dedicating your every second to their task?

Yes, there are shitty moving companies. But oh my god, are there shitty customers!

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