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Maybe I'm ignorant and pardon the noob question, but aren't mopeds already electric?

No.

There are more recently electric mopeds but traditionally mopeds use petrol engines around 50cc

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will be interesting to see how they price this

I wonder how this will be handled by laws that currently categorize scooters by engine CC.

At least 50 g's

Moped is a weird definition.

Some rules involving engine displacement and speeed

50 to 150cc (or however they want to equate wattage to that for an electric motor)usually governed to no more then 35mph.

They typically offer cheaper licensing and registration requirements.

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Mostly they've been gas powered. There's not really been a push to go electric with them because they tend to get 100 mpg or more (tiny engine, light weight).

When you're that fuel efficient there's just not a demand for electric.

Why are there foot pedals?

All government inefficiencies and processes aside, as in I can snap my fingers and make the change, the best way would be to classify them by horsepower instead.

A lot of electric (and some gas-powered) mopeds have pedals since they’re light enough to manually pedal if you run out of fuel

You're drunk

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A lot also have a hp/kW restriction.

Mopeds used to have pedals! That's what the "ped" bit in the name means. I actually think there's something in having a compact vehicle like this that can have pedal assist to boost its range/flexibility, guess Honda think something similar.

YOOOOOO LETS GOOOO

Also there's no real reason when you can get an electric bike that does the same performance but has no license requirements and can go places motor vehicles can't go

Since it has pedals it’s will likely legally be an electric bike. Which various states and cities already have laws for. Most are related to “top speed” which classifies and regulates them accordingly. Usually 20-25 mph unassisted is the limit.

But if this goes faster they could also just have a way to switch on artificial limits. Set the scooter to bike mode and it can only go 25 mph but is legal in bike lanes and without a motorcycle license. Set it to scooter mode and it can go faster but legally you need what you would need for an electric motorcycle.

So it can legally be an electric bike and ride in bike lanes without motorcycle license. Depending on top speed.

In terms of comparing to other brands: Honda is an economic option for cars, but as we all know, cars are expensive rn so that’s not saying much. They have some of the most expensive generators in the business. They’re really good, but you can get a Cummins generator for like, half the price. Their motorcycles are also good, but they’re again very expensive in this category as well…

Taking the information I know about honda… and what i already know as a current moped owner, as well as the hype surrounding e-bikes/mopeds booming demand for cheap transportation alternatives in this economy. Honestly, I don’t see this being under 5 grand for the first-gen models.

Very unfortunate the way the moped/e-bike industry is headed. Rather than targeting the audience that can’t afford cars and really need reliable transportation, they’re going to price these for yuppies who wanna avoid traffic between their job and overpriced brownstone apartment. It’s sad honestly, if I could snag one of these for like 2 1/2 grand I would.

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There are already millions of electric scooters and similar devices dude just look up the current laws

a mid spec road bike or mountain bike is 1500-3500 right now. IF this scooter thing was 5k i would consider that a good price now a days. i'm thinking closer to 9K

It counts as a bike for local government rules and bike trails. You can software lock the speeds to a class 2 bike for New York City for example

If they can electrify the CT90 without losing any of it's features, range, or trail capabilities then that would be great. They just remade it as a 125cc model.

Please god may it make some sort of noise

Edit: To the comment down-voters: The next time you are walking or riding your bike and one of these zippy e-bikes plows you from behind at 40mph (with no warning of any kind), remember your downvote (and lube). It needs to make some kind of George Jetson noise.

So you can pedal with your feet.

motor pedal

E Bikes are extremely expensive for what they are.

Are they?

Honda motorcycles aren't the cheapest option, but for the most part they're not outrageously expensive, either. Excluding their top-end models like the Goldwing and such, at least

Take my money plz

Pretty cute, though the color scheme is a little drab for my tastes.

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In the past I've had a gas moped, I currently have an electric moped, and on both those pedals are essentially useless. You're not going anywhere with those pedals. I think they are included as a sort of legal fig leaf. Also, they're not light, at all. My electric moped weighs 120 lbs.

Twice as expensive as my 2010 car yes absolutely. Nothing in the design nor R&D justifies that much money. Not even close.

moped is motor - pedal

I mean you can get decent e-bikes for $1000 and really good ones for $2000 and a decent regular bike is like at least 400- 500$.

If you have like a $2000 2010 car, I think you're very soon going to figure out why you were able to buy it for $2000

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uggg in my state/city the rules are so dumb! The bike lanes are filled with people on electric scooters/bikes that really shouldn't be there. You know what I love? Being on a bike in the bike lane and having a dude on an electric bike zoom past me way to close going 20-30mph. At this point in time a lot of these things are essentially just motor cycles/mopeds which are not allowed in bike lanes. If you want to make the argument that it's safer for them to be in the bike lane, then people are missing the point of having bike lanes.

We really should start requiring more people to register these devices, like mopeds and motor cycles, and require the scrutiny. AKA head lights, brake lights, turn signals, etc. Even the people who ride unregistered dirt bikes on the road have better common sense than a lot of the electric scooter/bike people (sans the dirt bike gangs that over take entire roads doing wheelies).

No one remembers that there where mopeds that where pedal start, like push starting a car.

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That would make it unrealistically expensive for someone like me, that’s for sure. I got my cheap lil grom copy a couple years back for $1200 and put another ~$1000 in parts on it since then. Now its actually faster than the Hondas in my city… and I like the way it rides better than the Hondas I’ve tried too. It would be nice to cut out trips to the gas station every 100 miles by going electric, but is what it is, maybe someday.

Article says it's if the motor can't get you up a hill.

road bike, yes. unfortunately, mid-spec mountain bikes now START at like 3500 usd. past couple years have been rough lol

This is so dogs-balls-obvious it kills me.

Some also have mandatory pedal assist. So you have to pedal to get the emotor to work.

Make an Electric Trail-90 next plz...

Philly?

Considering they have Mopes you don’t have to pedal at like 3-4K I think it will be ebike prices.

They aren't pricing it at a 1/3rd of the civic

Probably at least $1500-2000, and that's really low-balling. I'd say just build your own, either way.

You can build a 1500w 52v 21ah ebike that goes about 35mph with a range of 30-50miles in the realms of ~$500 if you already have a bike. Much more affordable than anything prebuilt, with far greater performance.

Yeah but is a self-build road legal?

and you're probably right. not as familiar with the MTB game right now

Americans be like if anyone in the current zip code can sleep then it’s not fun to drive :(

I messed around with motorized bikes using ICE engines back in the late 2000's, always wanted to do an electric one... but the prices of batteries and speed controls always put it out of sight. Are batteries that much cheaper now?

Yes. Those pedals are just decorations. Doubtful the seat or pedals are in the correct position for anyone. Doesn’t look very adjustable.

Please Honda, just give me an electric version of the Helix. It was already the perfect scooter, just slap some batteries and an electric motor in it.

Will most likely be twice the cost of normal scooters and not justifiable even with today’s gas prices

I felt like I had a stroke reading that headline.

It’s literally in the name. Moped = motor and pedals. You can ride it as a motorbike, pedal bike, or both.

In gas engine form they used to be popular but by the 1990s that was falling off. People will erroneously call motor scooters mopeds now even though they look significantly different.

I guess dirt bike gangs was a dead give away lol.

Depends on your local laws. In my city, bicyclists are treated as vehicles and they require no registration. This includes e-bikes (self built or not). So in my case, “road legal” requirements wouldn’t be an issue for me. For people living in a town, city, or state that has little to no provisions for bicycles on a roadway, this would likely be an issue for them.

Another reason: depending on your state DUI/DWI laws, if it’s XXcc or equivalent and has pedals you can use it for semi motorized transportation with a suspended license.

A lot of things are affordable if we do it ourselves.

Some people just prefer to leave it up to the professionals ::shrug::

The original mopeds had pedals; pedals were how they were used starting or were designed for emergency uses if the engine wouldn’t operate. The pedals weren’t added to circumvent motorized laws per say.

I imagine most laws pertaining to mopeds would still apply to this device; although it’s unclear since there’s no “cc” classification for it. In most city laws I’ve seen, explicit terminology covering e-bikes have been added to cover those devices.

Maybe I’m nitpicking, but the average person can certainly tell this is an “electric moped” and not an “e-bike”, so the laws would fall under the former. It might not be important at all, since in some cities e-bikes are treated identically to 49cc mopeds.

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It may also be selection bias (or some other bias), but it also seems like a large percentage of e-bike/scooter users in my city just disregard the rules of the road. I don't think I have ever seen someone on an e-bike/scooter stop at a red light/stop sign and just do a lot of, for lack of a better term, stupid sh*t lol.

Like I said, this could just be some type of bias due to me remember annoying people more than others, but I think the e crowd has attracted a lot of inconsiderate people. I saw something similar happen with cyclists when COVID first happened. People who never road bikes in a city started getting bikes/renting them more but were riding them like they were the only ones on the road.

It is just sad because it gives the rest of the people a bad name. I cannot tell you how many people have screamed at me for being on a bike when I am doing everything correct. Had one dude scream at me at a red light for "cutting him off", despite looking, seeing I had room to change over to the left turn lane, signaling, and finally turning. I ended up yelling back at him "I SIGNALLED" and did the same signaling move I did before. He then calmed down and was like "oh shit you know what you're right, you did signal it just didn't register".

Because it’s a moped— motor/peddle.

Lol phillys dirt bike gang on 95

That would be kind of fun to have a “trail” version of this.

whenever I'm biking and hear them approaching, I'll get off the road as fast as I can lol.

I mean, I can only speak for my city/state confidently.

But if it has pedals and is electric it will be treated as an e-bike. It will have classifications based on top speed unassisted, but it can be an artificial limit.

Which to me is a huge benefit. Ebikes don’t have insurance, registration, or license requirements. And can be on bike lanes. The top speed of 25 mph isn’t ideal always, but in a city you rarely would be going faster and being able to use bike lanes and paths more than makes up for the speed reduction.

Are there guides somewhere for this sort of thing? Was going to google but that sounds pretty specific. This sounds incredible compared to typical ebike prices.

What’s this build that you are talking about? 500$ seems way too little for that type of build

Can you hook it up with a link to a video or blog about building one?

Can this use the bike lane? The rules are so blurry in the US.

I will wait for hydrogen engines. Electric motors are way too costly and way to expensive, for the value they do deliver (range per charge). And their image of being pure green is bs.

Downvote me you dumbfs all you want, truth is, battery production in that manner and the size is no where near a green-mark. Hydrogen on the other hand will be more likely more energy efficient in producing it and won't grief nor exploit 3rd world countries for their resources. 🖕

Batteries are definitely cheaper now.

But also, you can scavenge a lot of the parts from stuff like broken electric scooters. They go for practically nothing on Facebook marketplace.

I'm considering buying a couple and putting the parts from them into a power wheels toy car. For the lulz.

It reminds me of those fake speculative renders people made of game consoles in the late 2000s lol

There's the UBCO 2x2 but it seems to lose steam going on long uphill stretches. It might be because they only gave it a 1kW motor instead of a 3kW, and it only goes 30mph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oZN71eHVrs&feature=emb_imp_woyt

They need a 59mph version with a trail gear switch with a 3kW motor and a little more battery power.

Also not feasible for most of the population

So, 11 years later than when you could first import one from china for $1200?

Wanna place bets on range and cost, and how that compares to both current ebikes and commuter e-scooters available elsewhere for a decade?

This could be so great, if it comes in cheap with commuter range and a top speed of 55mph. Or it could be terrible.

Looks cool! Yeah, they'd have to get away from the hub motor for that.

With pedals it’s considered a moped, in my state it’s 50$ to register for 2 years and needs no insurance. Without pedals it’s considered a motorcycle and has to be registered and insured similar to a car.

Range would be hard to replicate given the new 125cc gets over 100mpg, would happily take everything else with a reasonable city range though.

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Maybe they could make some of those kid cars for adults

Then by that definition, this is an ebike, with as much power as a 55cc motor.

It is, just the battery is close to or over 500

Very few people on bikes, e or otherwise pay attention to stop signs or traffic lights. I'm totally fine with treating stops signs as yields (like they do in the Netherlands) but stop lights are a different story. I've been biking in a city for 35+ years and spent some time as a bike messenger so I know how to ride in traffic and blowing through a light at 20+mph on your ebike is a quick way to go to the hospital.

I think we are reaching critical mass as far as e-vehicle regulation. Call them e-whatever they are still motorized vehicles and need to be treated as such, I love the idea of ebikes, they are a great alternative to a car and I will likely buy one in the next year or two but the execution has just been a free for all.

I believe the moped in question was a puch

Sounds too specific to Google? Did you try something crazy like “Build Electric Bike” or “How to build an Electronic Bike”? It’s just so wacky that it might actually work.

Im pretty sure ebikes are optimized for pedaling occasionally assisted by a motor whereas mopeds are meant for motors occasionally assited by the pedals.

Not to mention that ebikes and mopeds have different gearing and form factors

Either way its I think its neat

>but in a city you rarely would be going faster

Have you been to NYC or Chicago in the last few years? Every food delivery guy is on an Ebike going as fast as they can in the bike lanes. Regulation is coming I just don't think the government knows how to handle ebike -hopefully they see the good in ebikes and don't do something ham handed but they likely will.

I have a big brushless DC motor from an electric lawnmower that is begging to be put on something. I've got the controller figured out, but then I look online and see people building these battery packs by spot welding tons of cells together that they've taken out of discarded laptops or whatever, and I just lose motivation.

under 50cc's no license is needed. When I was a kid you could get a moped license at 14 -every kid between 14 and 16 had a 49cc moped.

>a decent regular bike is like at least 400- 500$

maybe if you are buying a huffy or some other punch out bike at Wal-mart but any name brand bike is much closer to $1000 than $500.

I mean, those are literally the laws for Chicago.

That doesn’t mean people obey the laws. It’s like cars with speed limits, or trucks with weight limits, or noise limits on vehicles, or any other number of things that are regulated but not regularly enforced.

It’s hard to enforce a lot of regulations, including a speed limit on an electric bike. Especially when it can be sold as an electric bike where the limit is only digitally set and you can just turn the limiter on/off. But any sort of other regulation on motor size is gonna be equally silly. A motor that can go 30 mph for a 100 pound woman might only be able to go 20 mph with a 300 pound man carrying deliveries.

You can take a battery pack from one of those kickbike scooters, they're usually 40v.

Another option is ordering a battery pack, lifepo packs come in loads of sizes with built in bms and everything pretty cheap.

🔥

Will this have the swappable battery like in Taiwan and Japan?

I wonder if Elon will invent one too.

> blowing through a light at 20+mph on your ebike is a quick way to go to the hospital.

Whenever people ask me how I ride in a city, I just tell them I have 3 rules.

1. Wear a helmet

2. Assume no one can see your, and if they can they are actively trying to hit you.

3. BE PREDICTIBLE! This means stopping or at least yielding at stop signs/red lights. Biking with traffic (I cannot tell you how many idiots bike against traffic... even when there is a bike lane on the correct side of the street). Not salmoning through traffic (I know this is a thing a lot of people do, but I don't do it because no one is expecting a bike to zoom past them when waiting in a line of cars at a red light). etc. etc.

If you have a soldering iron, and access to a 3d printer, you can build a battery :)

It would probably make more sense to compare with Honda motor scooters which I believe start around $3k and run to around $7-8k or so. Bicycles can get really expensive due to high spend on keeping weight extremely low. That isn't as necessary on a powered vehicle since the motor/engine compensates for the added weight.

Johnny Nerd Out on YouTube is a start for understanding different types of motors and features.

Cool so this 5hp is fine just don't pay attention to the 1000 ft pounds of torque.

Need one hell of a gearbox on that

Doesn’t Honda already make this?

How about "1500w 52v 21ah ebike that goes about 35mph with a range of 30-50miles in the realms of ~$500 if you already have a bike"? He was very specific so i thought it was worth asking.

You're not helping.

I’d ride this 100%!

My area the local bicycle riders always run the red lights. They’ll keep going and a few times flip off drivers who were merely just going on a green light.

I like how every picture makes it almost impossible to see the pedals.

totally. As I said I was a messenger way back when so I don't have a lot of love for people in cars, they don't like to share the road and don't take a lot of responsibility for driving a 4000lb piece of steel. Every messenger I knew had at least one bad wreck, I went through 2 windshields in my short career and neither was my fault -both drivers excuse was "they didn't see me"....when they drove into me. The thing is there are enough assholes to go around on both sides, but the guy on the bike is always going to lose. I do think part of the issue is that cops just ignore the guy on the bike unless he's being a complete ass and they are "clamping down" or "making an example" -they just need to enforce the law, if some bozo blows through a light write them a ticket, it's not hard. Both sides need to learn to respect the other side and both sides needs to take some more responsibility for their actions.

Where is my Motocompo!?

How well would 2 Dewalt 60v 6Ah work? $200 for 2 on sale.

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It's worth 4k now. Bought it for 2500. been driving it 5 times a week to work. Apart from replacing the battery it's just going.

If you’re smart enough to build a battery you can probably afford a battery lmao

>Twice as expensive as my 2010 car

Very few ebikes are going to be $5k-8k

The battery.

Look at the Emmo monster. That’s what I use for Uber eats. Looks exactly like the Honda ruckus I have an 84v 50 AH battery for it, top speed 55kmh range over 100km paid about 8k for it but it’s paying itself off doing gas free deliveries.

Are you nuts? People ride regular bikes at 20 mph plus all the time.

As far as I know, all mopeds have pedals. It’s what makes them a moped. People confuse motor scooters with mopeds all the time though.

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Not gas. Dumb.

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That's perfect, I can just parallel a few of those together and I'm good to go.

Where I live there's some company like bird or lime that has a bunch of scooters. Sometimes I see them broken and thrown in the ditch, maybe they have a battery I can use...

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Mono meaning one and rail meaning rail.

As a cyclist let me just to ahead and say I hate you.

With 130ish mpg, what's the point besides noise? Love my trail 125 and my old ct's but I don't see the value, especially considering it'll likely double the cost.

it was kind of a joke, because it has really gotten ridiculous without any regulation on the matter. if you add pedals to a Harley, can it use the bike lane?

It’s amazing that this was digitally printed!

this shit looks like it was made in the 90s... who designed this??? cuz they need to fire whoever it was.

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Take My Money!

Death machines with all the bad drivers in my city.

He was a scooter boy. He said see you later boy.

You know what else Honda should do?

Valkyrie Rune Electric

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I can't see this for anything less than 5k initially.

Literally says it in the headline: moped. It is a motorized pedal vehicle.

the only thing this does is make riding bike paths illegal. you don't want to be pedaling an e-bike with no assist.

Cool, maybe the guy below will build it for you too, because if you can’t even Google to find the Information, I doubt you’re qualified to build it.

I cannot wait!!!

It is if you just buy an already road-legal gas scooter and convert it.

Most older 2-cycle mopeds/scooters can be found non-running for like $150, and they'll come with the registration, hi/low beams, horn, etc.

From there, you just gotta be sure your conversion isn't getting too wild since most states now have a provision that states a maximum motor wattage for a scooter to still be a scooter (usually around 1200 watts).

The downside is the effort for the conversion - it's def more involved than a bicycle. And you gotta insure, plate, and register it (very cheap, but still...)

The upside is that you get a legit, road legal e-scooter and for some reason a scooter in traffic going 30 mph is just way more respected than a bicycle going the same speed. It sure "looks the part" if nothing else.

There is a guy around here who drives a ICE bike around, its pretty neat actually.

There is also a kid who drives an electric lawn chair around.

Those are really nice liquor cycles. Is there a option to attach a milk crate on the back?

India this probably be popular

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Especially the CT is more of an "adventure" design. It makes some sense in the city but if you're in a more remote area... The ultra efficient and reliable Honda engine is optimised to the point that I'm not sure the electric version is more green or cheaper to run at all.

I wish they sold the trail 125 over here in Europe :(

Why they make mopeds so ugly? It’s like how hybrid car designs always try to be quirky until Tesla came around.

A battery that would make the Note7 look like the pinnacle of safety

$4,000-6,000 more likely

Give me an electric Honda Ruckus and I'll buy one in a heart beat.

So like $5k and up?

Built it and rode it around just fine :)

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Did you miss the last decade of e-bikes, e-mopeds etc?

Places regulate by how many W the engine can produce and top speeds.

Here the limit is 1000W and 25/45km/h.

Sure but enforcement on that is going to be nonexistent. If you aren’t speeding they can’t know just from looking that it’s capable of going faster (eg when you take it to the track)

That said I’m a pussy and wouldn’t want to go faster than 35 on an ebike anyway