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burnmp3s t1_j0llb8t wrote

They've been prioritizing their GeForce Now cloud service over local GameStream for a long time at this point, so this isn't a huge surprise. But for me at least, literally the only reason I bought overpriced Nvidia GPUs for the past few years was because their local network game streaming was much better than any other alternative. This will directly lead to me switching to AMD instead of buying any of the 40 series Nvidia cards.

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mofo222 t1_j0lngui wrote

it would be ok if their cloud streaming could sream any game which is not the case

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FuneralBeef t1_j0lnqxf wrote

I have 3 shield pros and I have no idea what gamestream even was

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figmentPez t1_j0lpvcb wrote

The article is inaccurate in one point. It says, "It’s not quite an even switch, though. GameStream allowed you to add games that weren’t available on Steam manually" implying that you can only use Steam Link to stream games you've purchased through Steam, which is not true. Just yesterday I streamed my GOG copy of Psychonauts 2, and previously I streamed my Amazon Games copy of Battle Chef Brigade. You can absolutely add non-Steam games to Steam and stream them via Steam Link.

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Tyrvaen t1_j0lt49m wrote

I’ve literally added my simulation software as a non-steam game and used my desktop to run it while watching kids in another room with my laptop to do some homework.

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derscudo t1_j0lte0r wrote

I’ve been super happy with the performance/latency on GameStream with everything wired on my network. Is Steam Link actually comparable? I guess I thought GameStream was using fancy proprietary Nvidia nvenc stuff to keep latency down.

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puffmaster5000 t1_j0lu05z wrote

Neat, game stream and the recording was the only thing keeping me on Nvidia hardware. With that going away and recording just outright not enabling for no reason why should I get Nvidia ever again?

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burnmp3s t1_j0luagi wrote

Nvidia has a proprietary local game streaming function built in to their GPU and the drivers for it. There are other alternatives like Steam's game streaming functionality and the Parsec app, which work with any GPU. In my testing, Nvidia's streaming was the best and that's what I built my streaming setup around.

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Bar_Har t1_j0lut4l wrote

Then this will also kill Moonlight. Won’t it?

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Dinjoralo t1_j0m08uf wrote

You can add games to Steam, but there are limits. Anything that runs at admin-level, like Genshin Impact or I'm guessing most Riot games, requires Steam running at admin-level for it to work. And Xbox app games just don't work, because the Xbox app is somehow worse than buying games on CD in the 90's.

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lccreed t1_j0m1p9k wrote

This sounds like it is just on the shield, so I assume the functionality is still available on the card? I use the moonlight client. I guess I'll be setting up sunshine if game stream support stops for the cards.

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ShimReturns t1_j0m4xyv wrote

In my experience (11700k, 3060, Ethernet wired PC) Game stream via Moonlight looks better and is smoother at similar bitrates. This is both using the Steam Link Android client (wireless) and using the Steam Link hardware device with Ethernet (which I installed Moonlight on).

I'd say Steam Link is close but not as good.

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username0304 t1_j0ma0nq wrote

Use parsec people. It's the way

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Fire_Lord_Cinder t1_j0mebjm wrote

The article got it wrong, but it still is not an even switch though since game stream uses the Nvidia encoder and steam uses h.264. (I believe). The nvidia game streaming has always looked better to me then the steam game streaming.

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MyRealUser t1_j0mhd4l wrote

Sunshine + steam big picture cause my amd drivers to crash minutes into playing any game. I was thinking about switching to an nvidia card to have native moonlight support. This sucks.

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Va1crist t1_j0mj45r wrote

this is why I don’t buy into this crap

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mjselvig t1_j0mzde1 wrote

Can I download Steam games on the Nvidia Shield?

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king0demons t1_j0n9tb7 wrote

If they kill it entirely thats fine, someone has already made a 3rd party clone called sunshine. Pairs perfectly with moonlight which is basically the client side software used by the shields. Supports pretty much any os as well.

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G0ldenTwink t1_j0ngbr4 wrote

It’s a hit or miss if that works in my experience though to be fair. Usually, if it isn’t a steam game, I won’t be able to use my controller at all for the game and it’ll just purely read it as mouse input making it impossible to play. About 8/10 the games won’t work and rarely I’ll get one that does.

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figmentPez t1_j0nj15i wrote

I'll admit that my two most recent examples happen to both be best case, DRM-free games.

Things can get a lot more complicated if you're using Origin, Ubisoft, Epic, and other launchers, or even worse Microsoft store stuff.

That's when you start breaking out tools like GloSSI and OSOL to try to get unruly games in line. I've had to use one or the other get Steam Input to work with Amazon Luna running through Microsoft Edge, Star Wars Jedi: Fallen order on Origin, and Far Cry 4 on Ubisoft's launcher. None of those worked when simply added to Steam normally, but were made to work with extra tools.

It's not an ideal situation, but there are options

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Nuke_Dukem__________ t1_j0njwwg wrote

This is very disappointing. I'll probably be canceling my GFN subscription. Mainly because the nvidia controller drivers worked flawlessly with my PS3 controller compared to the third party apps I've been using. Also, using the shield app offers much better quality than the steam link app in my experience and it was the most seamless with my pc + controller setup. I hope the AI upscaling features work on the steam link app.

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Techutante t1_j0nmcjm wrote

I used to launch World of Warcraft through steam so I got the overlay and could chat with both crowds of my gaming friends at the same time. This was before Discord which more or less took over for both kinds of chat. Also I quit WoW. It was a bad habit.

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nyjets10 t1_j0nvw2z wrote

Does moonlight still work?

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king0demons t1_j0nwaeo wrote

Sunshine is a recreation of game stream so it should show up on any device you are able to scan for game stream servers. So if the question is can you still use it on a shield, if you can get moonlight installed, sure.

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Shruglife t1_j0nwzs1 wrote

Thanks. I dont use on shield, but did read about sunshine because I was considering getting a AMD card instead of Nvidia. Ironically today I got a 3070ti, and now Im like should I return and get a 6800xt? Does Sunshine work as well as moonlight? I use it quite a bit

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Matterhorn56 t1_j0o27e1 wrote

from moonlight's discord #announcements

https://moonlight-stream.org/discord

https://discord.com/channels/352065098472488960/746259367791427636/1053427450337562795

>Hello everyone!
>
>You might have seen that NVIDIA will stop supporting their SHIELD games application, which is the official GameStream client used on SHIELD TV. As such, many of you have been wondering if it means that Moonlight won't work after they do.
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>We don't have a lot of details right now (as it was just announced), but we don't know if that means that NVIDIA will be completely removing GameStream from GeForce Experience (accessible via the SHIELD tab), or perhaps leaving it for "legacy".
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>Either way, if NVIDIA were to remove it, you could always use one of the GFE alternatives made by you, the awesome Moonlight community, like #sunshine for example. As such, you'll still be able to use Moonlight.
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>We'll keep you updated as soon as we get more information and details about this.
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>Thank you for your support! Moonlight wouldn't still exist without all of you!

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UnicornChief t1_j0o2h53 wrote

I don’t know what gamestream or shield is

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djdestrado t1_j0o35c8 wrote

Steamlink has gotten much better and works great on Shield.

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figmentPez t1_j0o537e wrote

Assuming you want to know, the Nvidia Shield is a set-top box that runs Android TV as it's operating system, and is fairly game focused in it's purpose (though it can also playback media and do a lot of other stuff).

Gamestream is software that allows users to stream games from a PC to an Nvidia Shield. It allows people to keep their powerful gaming PC set up at a desk, while also being able to play sitting on their couch in the living room. (And may also be able to stream across the internet, I'm not sure. I don't have a shield, but Steam's equivalent software can work remotely, though it takes mighty good internet to be able to get it to work smoothly.)

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katovskiy t1_j0oc0gj wrote

been using steam link from day one

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big_punisher71 t1_j0of8w1 wrote

Sure not directly, but fibre does allow for higher theoretical speeds and more importantly greater simultaneous upload and download speeds. Higher maximum up/down speeds will translate to faster Wifi if your router and devices can support them.

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Lucius1213 t1_j0ogdgm wrote

All these positive comments make I feel like I'm crazy one here because SteamLink works absolutely horrendous for me compared to Moonlight and Parsec. Must be something with my setup.

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sebadoom t1_j0ohh97 wrote

AFAIK, GameStream is the only tool that provides reasonably good HDR streaming. I’ve been using Moonlight anyway, but if they remove the GeForce Experience parts I’ll be pretty pissed.

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xKaelic t1_j0om2c6 wrote

> GameStream allowed you to add games that weren’t available on Steam manually. For that, Nvidia is pointing toward its paid GeForce Now cloud gaming service [...]

The article appears incorrect, and seems to assume you can add your own games to GeForce Now.... you can't. I have hundreds of games in my Steam library, but it loads less than 20 in my GeForce Now library. Pretty shitty to find out now that I'm searching for a Stadia replacement...

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geo_gan t1_j0p12yh wrote

Gamestream was buggy as hell though. My PC uses a multi monitor setup and last times I tried using it, it insisted on streaming the contents of the wrong monitor every time. Couldn’t fix it. Was taking the low level Monitor 0 from the buggy bios/ windows instead of letting me choose somewhere.

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calebmke t1_j0p9iqn wrote

Would you say it was an upgrade? I don’t have any specific complaints with the steam link hardware. My wired connection works well with barely noticeable lag and not too bothered by it being capped at 1080

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M-Rich t1_j0p9omm wrote

I never used a original steam link, the Apple TV 4k is my first in House streaming device for steam link. The 1080 thing is a steam link Software thing, my Apple TV doesn't go higher in the app

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M-Rich t1_j0paudi wrote

I never heard of moonlight before until this thread. There is an app for it on Apple TV, but I guess it works with the game streaming this thread talks about? So it's going obsolete?

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CAElite t1_j0pii8q wrote

That sucks, gamestream was my go too for putting racing games up on to my TV, it worked fantastically.

I’ve never used steam link but a big part of the appeal was low latency & native gpu encoding that gamestream touted.

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brunofin t1_j0pr9vr wrote

Yeah I play casual wow on my TV via steam link and the steam controller. It works well for just some casual questing thought.

As for the bad habit, yeah wow can get quite hardcore and I see how it can consume most of your time. I respect your decision, but it can also be a great casual game if you take it lightly. I just came back a month ago and I've been having a blast. I've never been a raider or anything, I enjoy map exploration, questing and dungeon so keeping up with the season gear isn't really important for me, but o played hardcore PvP during Wrath about 10 years ago and I remember the struggle. I had the latest arena sets and etc. It was fun but I am not sure I would do it again, especially that now I have a full time job and I'm a father, I don't even have the free time to put into it :p

Anything too much can be bad.

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forkinthemud t1_j0qfmtc wrote

My whole point is that the Steam Link app isn't terrible over wifi. Only mentioned I had Fibre because I thought it made a difference on wifi but you were right on that fact. The more you know!

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xKaelic t1_j10fwrv wrote

I might be misunderstanding, but my issue is that it appears the streaming service "GeForce Now" has an incredibly limited library, where the article seems to point at as a solution to game streaming. I do not have a local solution and after Stadia shutdown was announced, I turned to the cloud platform GeForce Now.

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