bleue_shirt_guy t1_j24szxy wrote
Reply to comment by imakenosensetopeople in New York breaks the right to repair bill as it’s signed into law | The bill was signed by NY governor Kathy Hochul on December 28th, making New York the first US state to broadly protect a consumer’s right to repair their own tech. by chrisdh79
NY fucked up the bill by putting the following in it: "...allows for original equipment manufacturers to provide assemblies of parts rather than the original components when the risk of improper installation heightens the risk of injury." The problem is that mfgs will default to saying it heightens injury allowing them to only sell assemblies, which often cost ~75% of the hardware, making repair by 3rd party companies unprofitable.
The fight has been to get access to the constituent compoents like screens (minus the bezel, connectors, etc) or the the individual chips instead of having to buy the entire main board or power board.
So now Hochel and the NY government will pat herself on the back like they accomplished something when they did nothing to improve the situation.
MrFantasticallyNerdy t1_j25nom6 wrote
>The problem is that mfgs will default to saying it heightens injury allowing them to only sell assemblies, which often cost ~75% of the hardware, making repair by 3rd party companies unprofitable.
Not only unprofitable for the repair businesses, but unviable for the consumer, thus making the law entirely toothless.
Omnizoom t1_j29d0i8 wrote
Perfect example was fixing a wire on my dishwasher , one wire got chewed and it was chewed to close to connector for me to just splice it , I needed one connector and 3 small wires , that’s it , my only option was to spend 250 for the entire wire assembly
MrFantasticallyNerdy t1_j2bvxei wrote
That sucks!
We the consumer need to be more mindful about our purchases. We need to pay more attention to available information that can help drive purchase decisions, like the Ifixit.com repairability scores for smartphones. We then need to vote with our dollars so manufacturers know this isn't acceptable, both in terms of environmental sustainability, and financial prudence for the end users.
godnroc t1_j2cat7p wrote
Voting with your dollar is great when there are good options to choose instead, but if all options are bad regulation is better.
Your money is used as a carrot to lead manufacturers along, regulations are a stick when they go astray.
fordanjairbanks t1_j255rz1 wrote
That’s how all politics/legislation in New York works, especially the city. Trust me, I’ve spent my whole life here.
Tempest_1 t1_j259zdj wrote
It’s the nature of money in politics.
You’ll get voter referendums/initiatives that get deadlines pushed back and wording changed as soon as the politicians have to codify the law change already voted in my people.
Robots would do a better job at this point
elementagas t1_j25h2ry wrote
Now there's an idea: We'll build our own country and it'll have blackjack and hookers!
Asatas t1_j25vg3m wrote
New Vegas, here I come!
SerialMurderer t1_j2655wc wrote
Phrasing!
Erisian23 t1_j25joy5 wrote
I've been wanting AI government since I began to understand people.
renasissanceman6 t1_j26jufm wrote
And people saying “that’s how politics are” has been said since the beginning of politics.
Ghstfce t1_j25hned wrote
You forgot that this only applies to devices manufactured after June 2023. So most of the devices that will require these services aren't going to be covered.
dissident46 t1_j280wah wrote
Doesn't matter all that much. Future BS is still BS...
rhamled t1_j28z8uf wrote
This add makes the bill even worse
anevilpotatoe t1_j25h0ge wrote
>...allows for original equipment manufacturers to provide assemblies of parts rather than the original components when the risk of improper installation heightens the risk of injury
At some point, our legislation at the Federal Level is going to have to come to a visionary bipartisan agreement to shift how we do business from Engineering workflows to Corporate Business Models. Some revolutionary ideas are needed to maintain the momentum of the Chips Act and I think Rights to Repair fits into it. For example, less revolutionary methods in Modular design offer some relativity to repairing your own devices and equipment. It could also potentially motivate companies to take less aggressive measures of protecting patents by redesigning security restrictions that don't impede repairs/shift the burden of costs on customers so much so they have to replace it.
Many critical pieces of Technology and machinery that rely on semiconductors can be developed to be almost care-free in maintenance, which in turn would free up resource availability for manufacturing tech and (I tragically wouldn't enjoy talking about) would be extremely viable for our defensive industry demands, that would require a bulk of materials and manufacturing prior to end consumers.
Three major goals are highlighted below:
- A.I. will fundamentally change development, labor, infrastructure, and ROI.
- Automation will increase productivity and provide efficiency at the same rate of labor needed to maintain equipment.
- Chips Act can only go so far in market volatility, as much of the reliance on semiconductor development requires stable sources of material extraction.
If we are to meet those measures, then we will need to shift how we Engineer and manufacture for demand. And Rights for Repair fits into part of the larger goals and as a model to capitalize on its notes.
DragoonXNucleon t1_j25wo5y wrote
Or... they just won't because they make more money this way, and money buys votes so.... democracy?
chaotic_world t1_j28eevn wrote
This message was paid for by the Democratic National Committee (and possibly a bit of mob money).
Doomquill t1_j25wqsi wrote
It'll never happen as long as the Dollar is God and King, and the Uber rich control tech and politics. It would be awesome though.
hgs25 t1_j25j4gi wrote
Can’t wait to see Luis Rossman’s video on this bill from his former home state.
Onilakon t1_j25qguy wrote
He already made it, he's pissed
Adamstrudel t1_j27huuc wrote
He posted it already. Saw it earlier...he's ranting in his recliner taking pulls from a Ciroc bottle lol
azidesandamides t1_j27soih wrote
Apple ciroc
Busterlimes t1_j25z9su wrote
We need a government agency to address this the same way DOT addresses vehicle safety
khoabear t1_j261ywc wrote
And then that agency gets directed by former tech executives because they are the "experts" in tech
Busterlimes t1_j262fc2 wrote
Yeah, there are other problems with government relationships with corporations too. The Oligarchy is an entirely different topic
Mike2220 t1_j27jy3j wrote
>The problem is that mfgs will default to saying it heightens injury allowing them to only sell assemblies, which often cost ~75% of the hardware, making repair by 3rd party companies unprofitable
This might swing the other way if they want to be pedantic enough
Rather than selling laptop fans as the subassembly they'll sell the fan blades separate from the shaft, separate from the housing separate from the bearings, and the motor and cables etc
To make it as annoying as fucking possible for anyone to repair
sneaky_squirrel t1_j27pe32 wrote
It is a shame that a collective boycott and shunning is impossible.
I love the fantasy of boycotting companies that take these kinds of decisions, which again, is only a fantasy at best.
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danuser8 t1_j27gsit wrote
What about battery replacement? That can’t have risk of injury
shifterphights t1_j27lebq wrote
Well put and yep, they failed and they should be told this.
SquirrelAkl t1_j281uuy wrote
I bet someone (company, lobbyist etc) raised the spectre of potential future lawsuits if there was an injury. There are so many downsides to such a litigious society.
dovahkiiiiiin t1_j28akiq wrote
Such a terrible governor New York has.
chaotic_world t1_j28e6sk wrote
Back pats... sounds like you know NY politics! I know I do, living on the "long" island for 46 years. On our way to VA shortly, where I still have the right to protect myself and those I love!
ShootinStars t1_j28id7u wrote
Oh so like most politicians??
rhamled t1_j28z49u wrote
Even worse, they're setting bad precedence for other states' similar bills.
Rap-scallion t1_j2bspgy wrote
Some screen replacements are made more difficult when you don’t get the full assembly. Samsung galaxy phone screen replacements in particular really suck when they aren’t full assemblies, it’s just better to do the full assembly with new battery installed as opposed to trying to install just the display
Kael_Alduin t1_j27h431 wrote
Seize the means
Me_Krally t1_j25yg8o wrote
So I won't be able to repair my AI that is trying to kill me because in doing so it might harm me??!?!
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