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TheNaug t1_j5m9ksf wrote

Would be funny if Apple beat Facebook in getting AR to market, considering the amount of money Facebook doled into it.

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MayIServeYouWell t1_j5nbsfz wrote

You can bet Apple has dropped a ton of money on AR/VR as well… just not publicly.

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why_rob_y t1_j5o8jfu wrote

Yeah, as fun as it is to make fun of FB for stuff, it's not like they'd be getting beat by some underdog here. Apple has like 6x the market cap and 5x the net income of FB.

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JohnBsGhost t1_j5ov95c wrote

Also more hardware dev than meta by a MILE

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why_rob_y t1_j5ow0we wrote

And they've launched more than one successful product/service as opposed to having a history of only one massively successful launch and a bunch of acquisitions of other people's products and services.

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NextWhiteDeath t1_j5oepxq wrote

They were closer before Meta ran head first into VR spending too much money at once.

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InterscholasticPea t1_j5o9g1s wrote

And also Apple is a hardware and software integrated company. They have been making hardware devices longer and better than almost anyone else.

FB’s record of hardware isn’t exactly stellar.

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FlamingTrollz t1_j5misuq wrote

If anyone can, it is Apple, for good or ill.

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jrodan94 t1_j5n7dhc wrote

I agree, Apple is Apple so they’ll be obtuse in the worst ways but I think they are actually really good in the early stages of building a product category. Apple has the ability to legitimize a market segment, and they can afford to make no money for quite some time on any of it. They’ll always take their closed door pathway on it, but a rising tide lifts all boats. That will allow competitors to really show how their legitimate niche has value without being the figurehead for the entire industry to rail on. There’s enough space in VR/AR rn that Apple only helps everyone by entering the field

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the_first_brovenger t1_j5o1pp5 wrote

Apple Home, though.

Apple doesn't really do cutting edge niche well, which VR is.

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throwaway8726529 t1_j5odcas wrote

iPods? iPhones? Smart watches? And earlier, desktops and laptops? Apple’s entrance into all of these categories essentially created the category (for the pedants, yes I know the categories technically existed, but you know it’s not what I mean). By definition, the first mass-market product in a category is cutting-edge.

I’m old enough (sadly) to remember the pre-iPod days. The iPod wasn’t an iteration on the existing mp3 players. It was cutting-edge enough that it birthed a new type of product. Same is true for the iPhone, and the same may be true of this headset.

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the_first_brovenger t1_j5og8vm wrote

>By definition, the first mass-market product in a category is cutting-edge

No, that's not what defines cutting edge.
By the time something is mass produced, it is no longer cutting edge.

The iPod was literally an iteration on existing players. It massively improved on storage, as other manufacturers were content just beating the ~14 tracks on CDs a few times over.

>iPhones

iPhone was not a niche product.
It was not cutting edge either, it was an iteration on existing phones removing the mechanical keyboard, which had already been done.

>Smart watches?

Not cutting edge.
Also not really a niche, a smart watch is an ultracompact smart phone with a wrist band. There's no new cutting edge tech in them, they're just incredibly small.

>And earlier, desktops and laptops?

Still not NICHE and still not cutting edge. All of it, iterations.

>I’m old enough (sadly) to remember the pre-iPod days.

Well I am.

>The iPod wasn’t an iteration on the existing mp3 players.

Yes it was.

>It was cutting-edge enough that it birthed a new type of product.

No it didn't.

>Same is true for the iPhone

No it isn't.

>and the same may be true of this headset.

It very clearly won't be.
They're making their own iteration of a niche technology with low chance of success.

Jesus christ you are such an obvious fanboy, and clueless to boot. Please stop hurting yourself.

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Shopped_For_Pleasure t1_j5ox7t4 wrote

Well mp3s weren’t cutting edge because walkmans existed before it.

And walkmans weren’t such a big deal, because we already had things like vinyl players.

And don’t even get me started on vinyl players. helloooo, phonographic cylindersss.

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flagcity t1_j5p57in wrote

this is such a silly take. know why the iPod cutting edge you mouth breathing cave man?

Because my grandmother can use it. And she’s dead.

Everything Apple does has existed before to some extent. The difference is they solve the problem, which is different than trying to sell you technology.

If you’re old enough to remember how PCs were advertised back in the day, everyone made their choice on chips and ram and cache. a classic race to the bottom where the consumer gets screwed.

Contrast that with Apple, where the only specs that matter are the finish. You know it will work for 90% of what you wanna do and you probably don’t need to reboot it within the first year. Nothing is even close in terms of customer experience from opening the box to getting service to incorporating your family members to other ecosystem components.

Your take might be the most ignorant and infuriating on Apple I’ve ever read, and I am an android guy!

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newtybar t1_j5tvrnv wrote

I’d argue that’s more salesmanship than being cutting edge. I’m typing this on an iPhone.

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the_first_brovenger t1_j5p6akq wrote

It's just incredible the level of toxicity Apple topics brings out in people.

Here you are unable to help yourself. Frothing at the mouth like an animal needing to try to insult me. And you do it while unironically calling me a caveman! It's fantastic! 😅

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skolioban t1_j5rd1mp wrote

Cutting edge product and market are not the same as cutting edge technology. You guys are talking about different things.

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shortfriday t1_j61t73b wrote

I've got ten thousand bucks of apple stuff in my house and a thousand shares of aapl and literally everything you say is spot on. They're just a very good business. Silly subreddit.

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Veltan t1_j5ocwe1 wrote

Honestly, nobody is doing smart home stuff that well.

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KarmaPharmacy t1_j5ocz5b wrote

Have you ever heard of an iPhone, iPod, iPad, or AirPods? All cutting edge niche products in the beginning.

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the_first_brovenger t1_j5oglkg wrote

Great products, yes.

Cutting edge, hell to the no.

The only somewhat cutting edge tech in the original iPhone was the screen.

AirPods were literally just an iteration on a product type that had existed for years already.

Apple fanboys are seriously the worst.

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Shxhxxhcx t1_j5oi0nf wrote

You’re here commenting on every post that shows appreciation for Apple? Cringe.

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the_first_brovenger t1_j5okbrw wrote

Literally prefaced with Apple products being great, dude 😂

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Shxhxxhcx t1_j5opb08 wrote

That’s just sad. Get a life

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the_first_brovenger t1_j5orabi wrote

Once again it's proven apple threads will consistently bring out the man-children in force to hurl feeble insults at people. Take your own advice, bruh.

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KarmaPharmacy t1_j5olkcy wrote

I’m not even a boy. Let alone a fan. I am a nut for historical achievements in technology, regardless of who made it.

I do give credit when it’s due.

Smart phones with a touch screen didn’t exist before Apple. And I hardly even classify a BlackBerry or sidekick 3 as a “smart phone”.

Considering your big brain post history is limited to “deaf people don’t laugh at farts” I’m gonna go ahead and assume you weren’t alive when the iPhone came out.

Please, allow the adults to have constructive discussions. You have nothing to add here, I’m not even sure you’re 13 and allowed to be on this site.

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boltman1234 t1_j5oe6td wrote

Nope they were just fanboi starvation, sort of like Tesla golf carts etc

Apple stuff is complete crap, its all driven by fanbois and Apple trying to scare you with privacy /security bullshit

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FrankTankly t1_j5oewti wrote

Lol what? I’m no Apple fanboy but denying that Apple was first in these (niche, cutting edge) spaces (especially the iPhone and iPod) is just going out of your way to hate on Apple.

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SharpClaw007 t1_j5oeqjr wrote

This comment reeks of cope. Apple, despite their shitty business practices, makes top tier hardware.

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boltman1234 t1_j5omz8h wrote

Um no their hardware looks lame and don't game

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littlebitsofspider t1_j5odqj9 wrote

I tracked a bug in HomeKit (one of many) when I worked for Apple that was stupendously, egregiously bad. I agree with this comment.

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JackRusselTerrorist t1_j5obo5d wrote

Say what you will about Apple, but they haven’t been complicit in genocides and the proliferation of fascism globally.

Edit: gotta love the people who downvote this. Which is it- you hate apple so much that hearing they aren’t complicit in genocide makes you angry, or is it that you’re unaware of Facebook’s track record?

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kippypapa t1_j5peiny wrote

What are you talking about? Haven’t you seen the Tim Cook bloody machete photo from Venezuela a few years back? He’s wearing an apple t shirt in it.

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jampbells t1_j5qaa25 wrote

I mean their suppliers in China are supporting the uyghur genocide in China. So I wouldn't get on a high horse for them.

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JackRusselTerrorist t1_j5r3wr4 wrote

That’s anyone who does business in China, though.

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jampbells t1_j5wr2bx wrote

Sure but you said "they haven’t been complicit in genocides." Which they have, just like most people doing business in China. I'm not saying Apple is worse then other businesses just that I wouldn't defend them as morally superior.

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JackRusselTerrorist t1_j5y5g3y wrote

Comparing Apple to Facebook? Apple is clearly morally superior. Facebook is the tool that supremacists of all colours use to spread propaganda that leads to genocides. They refuse to hire local moderators in any meaningful capacity to deal with this stuff.

When it’s pointed out that their algorithms are driving division and hate, they externally put out a memo along the lines of “we’re aware of a situation, and will do our best” and internally about “yay! Growth!”.

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vaskemaskine t1_j5nwn0k wrote

Facebook bought Oculus in 2014. They’ve been at it for at least 9 years now.

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empire_to_ashes_ t1_j5o83e3 wrote

wow it’s crazy to hear that facebook owned oculus back when they were doing the development kit thing, i honestly thought they bought out oculus within the last 7 years.

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Hawk13424 t1_j5oepgs wrote

Yes, but when a company buys another company then the achievements of the bought company transfer to the buyer. That includes how long they’ve been working on something, things invented, etc.

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ASS_MOUTH_ASS_MOUTH t1_j5nu1cb wrote

IIRC there were rumours already in the Google Glass prototype days, and that was over a decade ago.

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AmericanKamikaze t1_j5nbyfu wrote

IMO it’s a marketing and positioning problem more than a tech problem.

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Fiveby21 t1_j5nihxl wrote

It's also a tech problem. Motion sickness is huge limiting factor.

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AmericanKamikaze t1_j5nntx5 wrote

From what I’ve read only the military version had that problem. The most recent headsets have reduced it dramatically.

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Hawk13424 t1_j5of12r wrote

Motion sickness is a problem for boats and planes also. There is no fix. People either need to get used to it or take drugs to combat it. Also, should be less of an issue for AR than VR.

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IniNew t1_j5oz042 wrote

There's motion sickness on things you can avoid - like boats and plane. And then there's motion sickness with something many are touting as the future of work.

One of those things is not like the other.

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RawrRawr83 t1_j5okh7t wrote

And also a demand problem. I don’t want to wear a fucking headset. What could have been an email is now going to become a meeting with head sets? No thanks. This can die a quick death

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throwaway8726529 t1_j5odmdu wrote

It’s both. Marketing and positioning has a synchronous relationship with how the product is designed and therefore what technologies it requires. Viewing these aspects as isolated concepts isn’t correct.

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rustyphish t1_j5oegra wrote

I think Facebook would actually be glad, they need anyone and everyone in the AR/VR space to make it more mainstream

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kippypapa t1_j5per4o wrote

But the point of the device for FB is to avoid issues like apple and their cookie privacy thing. If they lose this battle to apple, they’re fucked.

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zdakat t1_j5o504r wrote

If Apple comes out with one, it'll probably be like their smartwatches. Some people have it, but overall it's just a thing that exists. Unlike whatever Meta is doing.
Meta comes across as frantic and desperate. "No guys wait we are totally the only ones that are going to make this work!"

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all_are_throw_away t1_j5o5d69 wrote

I know very few people who don’t have an Apple Watch

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Sylvurphlame t1_j5omr9k wrote

iPhone versus any given android device is about 60-40 around me, favoring iPhone. Of those with iPhones, probably about 3 out of 4 seem to have Apple Watches. So that would make it roughly 40-50% of people I see have an Apple Watch, at least of those that have any smart watch at all. The other thing I notice is that those with an android device are less likely to have a smartwatch at all.

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demondied1 t1_j5prjuc wrote

Man I don’t even have a normal watch… if I need the time I just check my phone?

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RawrRawr83 t1_j5okl1z wrote

I’ve given away two because I don’t need another thing to charge and blowing me up with work emails

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Draiko t1_j5oh43i wrote

That's what happened to Tesla and electric trucks.

Announced Cybertruck before it was ready only to be beaten to market by Ford.

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Edwunclerthe3rd t1_j5ohn58 wrote

Facebook doesn't need to be the first to do it. They're positioning themselves to be one of the biggest names in the space in 2030

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Praedyth-420 t1_j697cfu wrote

Facebook already did. The Quest Pro is primarily focused on AR for business purposes. It came out last year

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