Metaverse v2

Can’t wait until I’m only a sexy cartoon

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And for only 3x the cost of competitors!

Would be funny if Apple beat Facebook in getting AR to market, considering the amount of money Facebook doled into it.

Lost me at Apple, had me again at full body avatars, lost me again at iOS-like

Avatars? Does that mean you can customize what your appearance is? Like, imagine you can make yourself the fucking Hulk while FaceTiming your good friend Garry. And your avatar would actually follow your move sets as well. Welp, now that I have that in my mind, I can now imagine people sexting in FaceTime while their avatars are different people. Like one person’s avatar is Spider-Man and the other’s is Batman. Would that be called Sextiming?

That’s already a thing, it’s called VR Chat with body trackers. Hell, half of VRChat is just people having cybersex. You walk into a room and knuckles the echidna is getting head from Hello Kitty while Goku and Shaggy from Scooby-Doo jack off in the corner.

Well, that’s VR, tho. I’m talking FaceTiming someone. Pull up your phone, you call your mom, a hologram of Goku appears in front of her, you’re like “hi, mom”

That does sound neat also.

You wouldn't really want to literally FaceTime in VR. They are just using the term FaceTime to mean a videocall, but the VR version - like VRChat.

I know Microsoft Teams does standard video conferencing with avatar options. Of course VTuber software all supports this too.

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If anyone can, it is Apple, for good or ill.

I feel the exact opposite way. Apple makes excellent products that rarely rely on stupid gimmicks like “full body avatars.”

But at least you’ll be sexy for once!

It’s not a big deal for Apple to animate a live conversation. Have you ever used Animoji‘s? They’re not the same but they’ve had that technology for many years

But…you can do this. In FaceTime you can make yourself an “avatar” or a Memoji character you’ve designed.

Something tells me nobody is going to want this unless they somehow managed to make AR/VR contact lenses, in which case that would be cool as hell.

Well, I didn’t actually know this. But it lacks a few things

1. Being a hologram that would just appear in front of the person you’re calling

2. Avatar follows your movements

3. I don’t know if it’s full body or not, but if it isn’t, then this too

If you're only looking at the cost of the Quest.... Then yes... But VR headsets can get really expensive...

I don’t think VR is the way to go for Apple. Their next product needs to be revolutionary. A new first for everyone. I just don’t see it with VR…

They bought a Stanford student's startup for an insane amount of money about 8 years ago, which became FaceID and motion avatars. This will be the next step of that using the phones front facing sensors to map the movement in the room. $100 bet.

They really bury the important, good stuff.

>It was previously believed that other people on a call will be displayed as an icon or Memoji. That's still likely to be the case for group calls. For one-on-one chats in which both participants are wearing a Reality Pro, the report suggests that FaceTime will render realistic versions of their face and body. Processing limitations seemingly prevent this feature from being available for group calls. Other companies, such as Meta, typically render users in a more cartoonish fashion (and don't yet include legs).

So... it actually sounds like they're trying to move beyond this.

What if they force us to look like we do in reality?

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Full body avatars aren't a gimmick any more than phonecalls are.

At this point, does anyone really believe in VR anything?

What’s the point of this, why would you want to see someone’s avatar over their real face and expressions? It feels like it was hot buzzword in tech and now big tech are just too afraid to divest and lose face so they just keep moving forward a feature people will try once or twice for novelty and entirely forget about 2 week post launch..

Didn't they just fire that whole team?

I agree, Apple is Apple so they’ll be obtuse in the worst ways but I think they are actually really good in the early stages of building a product category. Apple has the ability to legitimize a market segment, and they can afford to make no money for quite some time on any of it. They’ll always take their closed door pathway on it, but a rising tide lifts all boats. That will allow competitors to really show how their legitimate niche has value without being the figurehead for the entire industry to rail on. There’s enough space in VR/AR rn that Apple only helps everyone by entering the field

No, that was Microsoft…I think.

Pleasure model awesome-o

Want to present a balanced take , Apple is very very good at this kind of thing. Newest leaks say they’re expecting low sales and that this is just the first step for them. Apple is very good at taking all of these things that already exist and then having one moment where it comes together on stage in a way no one else has had the follow through in yet. If they can truly build a completely natural interface for VR that we haven’t seen before w this then they are already good. They know it won’t sell but they’re building a platform. I think it’s silly to write Apple off on this front. I also really look forward to what this announcement does for the competition. It’s going to definitely attract the mainstream eye to vr in a way only Apple can and that’s good for the entire space

You can bet Apple has dropped a ton of money on AR/VR as well… just not publicly.

IMO it’s a marketing and positioning problem more than a tech problem.

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Hello, there!

> What’s the point of this, why would you want to see someone’s avatar over their real face and expressions?

It's pretty normal for people to adopt a persona online. With 3 billion gamers worldwide, I expect many of them would routinely want a stylistic avatar. Lets them be anonymous and be whoever they want.

You can still have a real body scan for your avatar, but the tech is still cooking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w52CziLgnAc

I have a feeling that avatar-based communication will as important of a milestone as the invention of phonecalls. It bridges a gap that's long been needed to be bridged: Digital interactions that feel like you are face to face with someone rather than screen to screen. That's a pretty fundamental part of the human social experience.

Have you ever done technical work from home? Have you tried using a laptop on an airplane tray table? I would love a VR or AR headset with sufficient resolution to simulate three 4k displays + surrounding environment.

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It's also a tech problem. Motion sickness is huge limiting factor.

What like the creator of SAO did?

From what I’ve read only the military version had that problem. The most recent headsets have reduced it dramatically.

All I want is movie watching in bed with airplay to hifi. Right now I do that on an iPad but I suspect the experience on this would be much better.

When I was a kid we had 5 television channels and a knock-off Pong game

You underestimate how much money Apple doled

That’s odd. Every time I log on it’s just a bunch of little kids rapidly switching between avatars and yelling and a bunch of weird anime characters by themselves staring at mirrors. I’ve never seen anyone having cybersex in public rooms except maybe as a brief joke. What weird rooms are you going into?

You are a bold one!

According to the Bloomberg report it is full-body, and will be “realistic” so I assume you would see the actual person’a face mapped onto a 3D avatar with realistic anatomy in the real world in AR mode.

General Kenobi

Hey Ben10Stan3, welcome to your annual review. Wait, why do you have three legs? Oh, that’s not a leg…

IIRC there were rumours already in the Google Glass prototype days, and that was over a decade ago.

It depends on the person. I get motion sick watching overwatch gameplay without VR lol

You too huh

Facebook bought Oculus in 2014. They’ve been at it for at least 9 years now.

3k for the headset?! I'm sort of blown away and not really surprised anymore. If it was 1500 I'd be more likely to pay for it. We'll just have to see what it offers

The question is how will it compare to the ones at that price. Most likely won't in terms of spec. They have to pull something out the bag in terms of eco system integration to make people wanna put 3k into an overpriced headset which not many people have or have experienced. I think people can justify the cost of 2k macbooks as they know what to expect from a laptop but a VR headset is new territory for most of us, so it's gonna be a hard sell at that price unless it's perfect.

Why?

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I mean, Apple managed to get people to start wearing smart watches. And also forced their competitors to start making some. Same deal with wireless earbuds.

It’s literally the same song and dance. Getting sick of people saying it’ll fail when their favorite brand or company copies them later.

Apple Home, though.

Apple doesn't really do cutting edge niche well, which VR is.

It’s insane to me that Zuckerborg thought Facebook can just pivot into a core capacity for consumer hardware/software innovation. No, dawg. You broker adverts. Your competition is Apple and Google. Microsoft and Sony always in the mix, too, for that matter.

Historically bad business decision on the part of Facebonk.

Those renders look to me like it’s going to be way too perfect for Fitness+ in VR. Sporty AF.

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Do they have legs?

This, so much this, i could sit in the Starbucks and feel like I’m in the office

Hard pass

Is this big tech's vision of the future? Why do they want this virtual world shit to happen so bad?

If Apple comes out with one, it'll probably be like their smartwatches. Some people have it, but overall it's just a thing that exists. Unlike whatever Meta is doing.
Meta comes across as frantic and desperate. "No guys wait we are totally the only ones that are going to make this work!"

I know very few people who don’t have an Apple Watch

Now that I think about it, something like SAO could theoretically be possible today. Just make a VR headset, make it really popular, make some kind of irresistible VR El live event that many people will show up to. Unveil in the event that the vr headset has a bomb hidden inside ot, and if you die in the game, the bomb goes off. If you remove the headset, the bomb goess off. If the headset loses power, the bomb goes off.

I don’t see this being a priority anymore since ChatGPT is forcing companies to hyper focus on AI and all AR/VR teams are being let go.

Everyone keeps saying VR, but the headline says mixed reality. And I think that’s a big distinction. Most people want to augment their world, not replace it.

wow it’s crazy to hear that facebook owned oculus back when they were doing the development kit thing, i honestly thought they bought out oculus within the last 7 years.

Yeah, as fun as it is to make fun of FB for stuff, it's not like they'd be getting beat by some underdog here. Apple has like 6x the market cap and 5x the net income of FB.

Apples new product will conform to conventions in set in previous products?! Wow!

I personally expected it to conform to windows phone’s style.

Everything body who works in tech knows Steve Jobs faked his death to work on a mixed reality headset. He will be announcing his alive status and introducing the headset very soon.

And also Apple is a hardware and software integrated company. They have been making hardware devices longer and better than almost anyone else.

FB’s record of hardware isn’t exactly stellar.

Apples 2024 layoffs.

This could be one reason…

I don't like the idea of enabling people to do more work on airplanes.

But, that's how technology progresses. There was a rare time in the 90s/early 2000s before commonplace laptops and cellphones with plane travel (and train travel for that matter) that meant you'd have leisure time on business trips. Sure, you could read the news and write things down, but you were impossible to contact. Now some people feel anxious and want to do work on planes and stay in touch to "get things done". Can't imagine the constant work VR will enable. Although, on the otherside of this coin is VR connecting families.

You realize the, apple pc, iPhone, and the Apple Watch, all were iterations if an already existing product.

It’s just a new form of technology and social interactions. No one forcing you or anyone else to participate. If it’s not your thing…then why even comment?

Wow, crazy.

Say what you will about Apple, but they haven’t been complicit in genocides and the proliferation of fascism globally.

Edit: gotta love the people who downvote this. Which is it- you hate apple so much that hearing they aren’t complicit in genocide makes you angry, or is it that you’re unaware of Facebook’s track record?

> They are just using the term FaceTime to mean a videocall, but the VR version - like VRChat.

We don’t know that. I wouldn’t put it past apple to develop an AR FaceTime with avatars over real backgrounds

What's the difference between what they are talking about and regular filters that change your bodies appearance in most video chat applications across pc/android?

I think you can do that with FaceTime now. It’s a little cartoony. Mostly I see kids using it to goof off but I can see it getting better over time.

Honestly, nobody is doing smart home stuff that well.

Have you ever heard of an iPhone, iPod, iPad, or AirPods? All cutting edge niche products in the beginning.

Who is this for? I barely have time for reality. And that time I like to actually go outside.

iPods? iPhones? Smart watches? And earlier, desktops and laptops? Apple’s entrance into all of these categories essentially created the category (for the pedants, yes I know the categories technically existed, but you know it’s not what I mean). By definition, the first mass-market product in a category is cutting-edge.

I’m old enough (sadly) to remember the pre-iPod days. The iPod wasn’t an iteration on the existing mp3 players. It was cutting-edge enough that it birthed a new type of product. Same is true for the iPhone, and the same may be true of this headset.

It’s both. Marketing and positioning has a synchronous relationship with how the product is designed and therefore what technologies it requires. Viewing these aspects as isolated concepts isn’t correct.

I tracked a bug in HomeKit (one of many) when I worked for Apple that was stupendously, egregiously bad. I agree with this comment.

Nope they were just fanboi starvation, sort of like Tesla golf carts etc

Apple stuff is complete crap, its all driven by fanbois and Apple trying to scare you with privacy /security bullshit

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I think Facebook would actually be glad, they need anyone and everyone in the AR/VR space to make it more mainstream

Yes, but when a company buys another company then the achievements of the bought company transfer to the buyer. That includes how long they’ve been working on something, things invented, etc.

They were closer before Meta ran head first into VR spending too much money at once.

This comment reeks of cope. Apple, despite their shitty business practices, makes top tier hardware.

Eh. No thanks.

Lol what? I’m no Apple fanboy but denying that Apple was first in these (niche, cutting edge) spaces (especially the iPhone and iPod) is just going out of your way to hate on Apple.

Motion sickness is a problem for boats and planes also. There is no fix. People either need to get used to it or take drugs to combat it. Also, should be less of an issue for AR than VR.

Yeah, really can't see that anyone is actually so eager for this to be available.

But why would you want a carton to interact with instead of the actual person's features?

If I can’t be a fox avatar, fuck em.

interesting

Microsoft pretty much gave up on this while apple still sees promise.

Another company putting money into VR that will not succeed.

I genuinely do, but not with the annoying headset tech we currently have. It’ll have to be something as elegance as a set of AR glasses - not too unlike the NReal Air glasses.

The best technology is one that gets out of the way, or blends into your day to day workflow, and I foresee this to be the future.

Because you would feel face to face with that cartoon, even if it's an abstraction.

Videocalls only ever feel like they are screen to screen interactions, never face to face. There's just no way to provide that feeling through a 2D screen.

And having custom avatars that aren't derived from your real features can be fun and expressive and allow people to play with identity. VRChat is the perfect example of this.

Educate yourself. You sound like a child.

sounds terrible.

>By definition, the first mass-market product in a category is cutting-edge

No, that's not what defines cutting edge.
By the time something is mass produced, it is no longer cutting edge.

The iPod was literally an iteration on existing players. It massively improved on storage, as other manufacturers were content just beating the ~14 tracks on CDs a few times over.

>iPhones

iPhone was not a niche product.
It was not cutting edge either, it was an iteration on existing phones removing the mechanical keyboard, which had already been done.

>Smart watches?

Not cutting edge.
Also not really a niche, a smart watch is an ultracompact smart phone with a wrist band. There's no new cutting edge tech in them, they're just incredibly small.

>And earlier, desktops and laptops?

Still not NICHE and still not cutting edge. All of it, iterations.

>I’m old enough (sadly) to remember the pre-iPod days.

Well I am.

>The iPod wasn’t an iteration on the existing mp3 players.

Yes it was.

>It was cutting-edge enough that it birthed a new type of product.

No it didn't.

>Same is true for the iPhone

No it isn't.

>and the same may be true of this headset.

It very clearly won't be.
They're making their own iteration of a niche technology with low chance of success.

Jesus christ you are such an obvious fanboy, and clueless to boot. Please stop hurting yourself.

Great products, yes.

Cutting edge, hell to the no.

The only somewhat cutting edge tech in the original iPhone was the screen.

AirPods were literally just an iteration on a product type that had existed for years already.

Apple fanboys are seriously the worst.

That's what happened to Tesla and electric trucks.

Announced Cybertruck before it was ready only to be beaten to market by Ford.

Facebook doesn't need to be the first to do it. They're positioning themselves to be one of the biggest names in the space in 2030

You’re here commenting on every post that shows appreciation for Apple? Cringe.

But it's just distracting and potentially problematic in a professional context and weird in a personal context with family or close friends.

So, maybe it's useful for the phone calls you make to people that are not for work and are not with family or close friends? Which would be a pretty small proportion of phone calls for most people.

At $3000, this piece of kit will probably start out as the next Google Glass... owned and misused by assholes with more dollars than sense.

A big selling point for AR/MR/VR hardware is gaming and Apple doesn't have a very good gaming experience on any of their products right now. Apple Arcade simply exists and there's only so much one can do with phone-level graphics.

That being said, I'm not sure this headset will have the same end as Google glass. Apple will either quit right away or stand behind a product until it finally finds a fit.

Personally, I think releasing this in 2023 is a mistake. Apple should sit on it for another couple of years... preferably until the hardware can have a sub-$1000 pricetag.

It would probably be difficult to fit in with family, but I think many gamers with other gamer friends would probably find it fine.

Your comment just goes to show though that the video I linked is critically important for true mass adoption of VR/AR communication - having a photorealistic scan of yourself will be important in many contexts.

The cybersex thing is a meme, though it does happen sometimes in private worlds. In reality most of the "good" groups in vrchat that aren't children hang out in private worlds called "Friends+" which basically means friends of friends can join. If you click popular worlds you'll notice that half the population is in private instances like that, mainly to avoid children and toxic users.

Hell, furries have an entire network of friends and friends+ worlds that regularly reach 50+ users per instance on fridays, they also have entire private instanced conventions that have upwards of 1500 attendees whenever they happen.

Hold up with all that nonsense, this is reddit, we've all collectively decided that VR isn't viable tech, tens years ago even, just like when we all caught the Boston bomber.

3k for fucking facetime and apple arcade yeah bro no

Apple make nice looking but technically mediocre products that lock their customers into a massively restrictive and closed ecosystem (their earbuds not working as bluetooth headphones for any other device, for example - ridiculous). They are absolutely gimmick-driven, and they're usually just stolen ideas that they rebrand with stupid names like 'Magic Keyboard'.

Not to mention their deliberately oblique and expensive repair process, and charging through the teeth for simple accessories like a monitor stand or wheels.

I will applaud them on their aesthetic, and their ability to manipulate people into thinking their products are better than the competitors when they usually objectively aren't.

Literally prefaced with Apple products being great, dude 😂

And also a demand problem. I don’t want to wear a fucking headset. What could have been an email is now going to become a meeting with head sets? No thanks. This can die a quick death

I’ve given away two because I don’t need another thing to charge and blowing me up with work emails

I’m not even a boy. Let alone a fan. I am a nut for historical achievements in technology, regardless of who made it.

I do give credit when it’s due.

Smart phones with a touch screen didn’t exist before Apple. And I hardly even classify a BlackBerry or sidekick 3 as a “smart phone”.

Considering your big brain post history is limited to “deaf people don’t laugh at farts” I’m gonna go ahead and assume you weren’t alive when the iPhone came out.

Please, allow the adults to have constructive discussions. You have nothing to add here, I’m not even sure you’re 13 and allowed to be on this site.

Don't judge them on a few bits of shitty software they developed as nothing more than sanitised spaces to show investors around instead of freaking them out with VR Chat.

It's the hardware that's the important point here, and nobody in the market gets even close to beating that price to performance ratio.

iPhone versus any given android device is about 60-40 around me, favoring iPhone. Of those with iPhones, probably about 3 out of 4 seem to have Apple Watches. So that would make it roughly 40-50% of people I see have an Apple Watch, at least of those that have any smart watch at all. The other thing I notice is that those with an android device are less likely to have a smartwatch at all.

Um no their hardware looks lame and don't game

> Apple is very good at taking all of these things that already exist and then having one moment where it comes together on stage in a way no one else has had the follow through in yet.

I think this is what gets into the core of the arguments where people call other people fanboys or haters. iPod, iPhone, iPad, iWatch Apple Watch… none of those were brand new unheard of product categories. Digital music players, smartphones, tablets and smartwatches existed before. But Apple managed to deliver more of an experience. Everything integrated, everything purposeful and (mostly) focused. You can’t in good faith argue that Apple hasn’t significantly changed the landscape of any product category it enters.

Edit: and that’s not to discount Android’s more experimental legacy, pushing features and concepts with each iteration. And often first.

Focus has gotten a little less as the ecosystem grows, but that was inevitable as a mature platform tries to be everything to everybody. Nonetheless, I trust Apple more than Facebook to actually launch a product that pushes mixed reality mainstream. I still don’t know one person IRL that has an Oculus/Meta Quest and Google Glass already tried and unfortunately failed. HoloLens may have been mortally wounded losing that military comtract. Sony is apparently doing well enough that they’re launching a PlayStation VR for their fifth generation consoles, but I don’t know if they could have any appreciable influence on making mixed reality commonplace.

That’s just sad. Get a life

Their focus on the metaverse is an interesting one. I’m not sure what their long-term monetization strategy was. With Apple, Microsoft, Sony, they sell actual products. Facebook monetizes user habits to sell ads. Not sure if Zuckerberg saw the metaverse as some sort of brave new world for advertising and engagement metrics or if he just really personally got tired of waiting for mainstream VR and decided to throw his company behind forcing it to happen.

Animojis and Memojis are pretty impressive in their own way. It’s a shame they don’t get more traction, but then using them is a very deliberate action on the part of the user and takes effort beyond just sending a message or having a FaceTime.

They would be great for mixed reality avatars, if Apple can livestream them in real time.

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> I wouldn’t put it past apple to develop an AR FaceTime with avatars over real backgrounds

I mean, it’s the next logical step from FaceTime with Memoji and Animoji heads.

Once again it's proven apple threads will consistently bring out the man-children in force to hurl feeble insults at people. Take your own advice, bruh.

You can use the emoji and an emoji characters in FaceTime now, yes. But it can only track your head and it’s a little limited in the sense that you have to hold your iPhone, or iPad in front of your face.

Rethink that in the context of wearing VR goggles and having a companion motion tracking device in the room, so that your full body, animated avatar is live streamed to the person you’re having a conversation with. Or straight up, superimposed on the empty seat on the other end of the couch, if you’re using AR mode .

That’s going to be the interesting tipping point for the personal communications aspect of mixed reality

Yes but they did it different and better than other products

I still haven’t even gotten on board with FaceTime.

Also more hardware dev than meta by a MILE

And they've launched more than one successful product/service as opposed to having a history of only one massively successful launch and a bunch of acquisitions of other people's products and services.

Well mp3s weren’t cutting edge because walkmans existed before it.

And walkmans weren’t such a big deal, because we already had things like vinyl players.

And don’t even get me started on vinyl players. helloooo, phonographic cylindersss.

Exactly my point. Why can't they do the same thing with MR/VR/AR?

I just don’t see mile long lines of people waiting to get their hands on VR. It’s a cool idea though. Of course I could be wrong. I think apple should take a step back and focus on something that mostly nobody else is doing or putting that much effort into.

Take a lesson from Meta’s failing strategy and drop the avatar b.s. We don’t need another Second Life.

There's motion sickness on things you can avoid - like boats and plane. And then there's motion sickness with something many are touting as the future of work.

One of those things is not like the other.

They will.

Even if it’s bad, Apple will overtake meta.

Research indicates VR has a 28% CAGR by 2028, the fasting growing rate of all media. They can come out net positive if they leverage this trend judiciously.

> with realistic anatomy

Apple might not do it, but somebody is going to put some anime titties on an avatar. It’s inevitable. Lol

Yeah PlayStation VR will probably be good, but it will have no real impact on wider VR/AR/MR. It's more like a PS5 add on.

I think Apple needs the first generation to go out at it's expensive price in order to be able to produce 2nd and 3rd gen at pricing closer to the 1k mark. As with all Apple products, advice is to stay away from first gen unless you have no limit to your disposable income because second gen has significant improvements and is almost always cheaper. HomePod is another example of this, it cost way too much to produce and had a near zero profit margin with it's first gen. Second gen was re-engineered to be both better and much cheaper to produce, so now I see people actually buying it.

this is such a silly take. know why the iPod cutting edge you mouth breathing cave man?

Because my grandmother can use it. And she’s dead.

Everything Apple does has existed before to some extent. The difference is they solve the problem, which is different than trying to sell you technology.

If you’re old enough to remember how PCs were advertised back in the day, everyone made their choice on chips and ram and cache. a classic race to the bottom where the consumer gets screwed.

Contrast that with Apple, where the only specs that matter are the finish. You know it will work for 90% of what you wanna do and you probably don’t need to reboot it within the first year. Nothing is even close in terms of customer experience from opening the box to getting service to incorporating your family members to other ecosystem components.

Your take might be the most ignorant and infuriating on Apple I’ve ever read, and I am an android guy!

It's just incredible the level of toxicity Apple topics brings out in people.

Here you are unable to help yourself. Frothing at the mouth like an animal needing to try to insult me. And you do it while unironically calling me a caveman! It's fantastic! 😅

Hate the way technology is going, this is just weird to me.

What is it like FaceTiming / messenger with avatars instead of real faces in VR?

Just don’t like the idea of it.

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I’m willing to bet No Man’s Sky for Mac/iPad will launch alongside this and that it’ll have VR support for Apple’s headset. No way they supported porting efforts for one of the best VR titles just so they can have another Mac/iPad game. They want a big title to launch the new headset with.

Why? There's effort going into this because there's at least some market validation on it.

What are you talking about? Haven’t you seen the Tim Cook bloody machete photo from Venezuela a few years back? He’s wearing an apple t shirt in it.

But the point of the device for FB is to avoid issues like apple and their cookie privacy thing. If they lose this battle to apple, they’re fucked.

It’s the engagement metrics because what’s more engaging than being immersed in a virtual world. Can you smell that sweet ad moolah? I sure can’t.

> Can you smell that sweet ad moolah? I sure can’t.

Which brings in the idea of just how immersive it will really be, until we can figure out a way to simulate taste and smell. Sight and sound, yep. Doable. Haptics, getting better. Taste and smell require direct chemical interaction, so you’d have to skip that and figure out the SAO style full dive.

You think you can send me a link of a video?