exsea t1_jedunce wrote on March 31, 2023 at 8:40 AM

my counter argument is despite all the fixes they did. they never did come clean. they overpromised and downright lied to us gamers.

if the game is "just buggy", fine i m on board with what you say. yeah i will support a company that tries their best to make their game better when their launch was shitty.

a good example is godfall. not exactly buggy but their devs improved the game a huge lot. as far as i know, they did not lie.

lying and misleading. dishonesty. i can forgive bugs to an extent, i can even forgive cut content to an extent. but good will is hard to earn.

try and view it this way.

you have 2 contractors fixing up 2 rooms you own. one says everythings fine and the jobs complete. the second one sheepishly tells you they fucked up and need time fixing it.

upon inspection the first one is also fucked. both contractors agree to fix their rooms anyway.

which of the 2 is the shittier contractor? i might not be happy with both of them but i might rehire the honest one for a new contract. the first one? fuck that guy. and that guy is CDPR

TheLastPirate123 t1_jedxjw0 wrote on March 31, 2023 at 9:22 AM

What exactly did they lie about? What promises did they make that aren't in the game? Genuine question.

From how I see it they overpromised because they overestimated how the game would turn out and have since gone out of their way to make the game what they intended it to be. Same goes for No Man's Sky - there's alot that gets cut because of the whim of an incompetent higher-up, there's alot of changes made throughout the process, there's alot that goes into making a game and they've done their best to complete their vision of it since it's disappointing release.

exsea t1_jedyehs wrote on March 31, 2023 at 9:35 AM

if you google it, theres a few results

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2020/12/14/cdpr-apologizes-for-hiding-cyberpunk-2077s-horrible-last-gen-performance/?sh=7fae93a32c38

this is one.heres the main quote thats a huge ass lie

“Speaking earlier this week on Wednesday (and transcribed by Seeking Alpha), Kaciński said that Cyberpunk 2077's performance on the base PS4 and Xbox One consoles is "surprisingly good, I would say, for such a huge world." The CEO went on to say that although the performance on these base consoles is lower than their "pro" counterparts (the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X), it's still surprisingly good.”

surprisingly good?

thats a god damn lie.

i know a lot of people here are CDPR lovers. ngl, i too loved CDPR. they were the golden child of the gaming world. we needed CDPR to succeed. i wanted CDPR to succeed. CDPR's success is a big fuck you to the likes of EA and Ubisoft. they were the chosen one.

when other game devs were making collectors edition boxes. CDPR's witcher physical copies were all technically collectors edition with tons of goodies but with a "standard box" price tag.

if EA fucked up. i wouldnt really care so much. i was fanboying CDPR hard. for them to be dishonest its was a harsh slap.

over promising is one thing. outright saying the game is fine and releasing it as it is from a company that should know better....

TheLastPirate123 t1_jee84of wrote on March 31, 2023 at 11:35 AM

Ah that's interesting. I didn't follow much of the build-up to the game before it was released as I never really fell for the hype, I've still not fallen into the Keanu Reeves hype in general. What I've heard now is that they've made it a good game, ofcourse games should be functional and work as promised upon release, however I think the work they've put in to fix it somewhat makes up for the initial release - once again I bring it back to No Man's Sky.

I don't view CD as a holy patron saint of gaming or anything, it's just another company but as of right now it's one I have a positive view on as I think they seem to be intent on making good games rather than churning them out.

exsea t1_jee98ji wrote on March 31, 2023 at 11:46 AM

yeah its good that you're not attached to them as i was. they really had a very good PR with gamers in general.i m against pre-orders but for CDPR they had so much good will with gamers that i would actually pre-order from them.

its really a shame on what happened.

fixing the game... its been 2-3 years... a friend of mine bought the game this year and his playthru was buggy..

also if you play the game, you get to see a montage of you and your companion. my first impression of the montage is not "whoa thats cool". instead i thought... hmm pretty sure this is cut content.

later onwards in the game you meet a guy that you WORKED FOR in the montage. but in that meeting it appears to be your first meeting with him. that confirmed to me that the content was cut.

its ironic. i m a person who's bloody invested with CP2077, which made me react negatively to them even more. the irony is that the people who still love cyberpunk are the ones who would shit on me for pointing out how badly CDPR fell.

TheLastPirate123 t1_jeeaeri wrote on March 31, 2023 at 11:57 AM

It's interesting just how invested people got into Cyberpunk, I never thought it looked all that unique. A first person shooter with some Watchdogs-esque features.

It's interesting to hear about the bugs being a problem, Skyrim is one of the buggiest games out there but it's never affected my enjoyment of the game but I saw the way it lagged on PS4 and I remember thinking "holy shit this is abysmal", at the same time they're damned if they do damned if they don't as 1 they'd miss out an alot of money only releasing on next-gen 2 you'd get a large group of people on last-gen complaining and saying they'd rather a laggy game than nothing at all.

I'm also not a fan of preorders, there's two games I've pre-ordered in my life and they were Kingdom Hearts 3 (childhood fan of the franchise and waited years for it so I was happy) and Elden Ring (huge FromSoft fan, love Souls, Bloodborne, and Sekiro), Elden Ring I was disappointed by but people to this day sing its praises so highly I think basing my purchase on people's reviews would've only made me more let down when I got around to playing the game. I thought FromSoft would never miss and ER was an unfortunate one for me.

exsea t1_jeebvbo wrote on March 31, 2023 at 12:11 PM

i guess mine was a 2 pronged overlap of my interests. there arent too many cyberpunk type games out there, most futuristic games available usually go full geek and far off into future scifi like anarchy online and eve online.

the other was i was invested with CDPR as a company. also it was supposedly story focused rather than action focused, with many RPG elements where you had different perks to choose from.

skyrims bugs sometimes are small enough that they dont detract from the game. and the mods certainly help out a huge deal. also skyrim is full of content. to compare, skyrim is a complete game but buggy, while cp2077 is incomplete, buggy and overpromised.

in cp2077, we have cops that literally appear in the game. theres no animation. they just spawn right in front of you if you so happen to look in that direction. we also have a perk that gives you a buff while within water.

which, in the entire game you're in the water for just ONE small particular area and only in that one time.

one bug that i had bricked an optional sidequest. i dont know when it bricked i dont know how it bricked, i do not know which save i should use to revert the brick. but even if i did i m pretty sure i would have lost tons of hours of progress.

i really wanted to love the game. i gave it a fair shot. it had the potential to be a game that i would love but everything compound on one another made me just have a bad taste in my mouth. anyway i would really like to thank you for just talking to me about it in a civil manner.

TheLastPirate123 t1_jefaip4 wrote on March 31, 2023 at 4:18 PM

The cops disappearing sounds hilarious but having quests and stuff bricked sounds bloody awful.

Hopefully whatever CD release next is good and washes that taste out of your mouth! My pleasure man, have a good day :)

emi_yagami t1_jedx22x wrote on March 31, 2023 at 9:15 AM

This isn't debate club lol as for calling them liars, the only thing they lied about was the game being in a finished state, which wasn't the devs, it was the higher ups. So you're "argument" falls flat unless you say the boss that pays their checks lied and said it was done. We all had things we wanted out of the game that they never said was a part of it then people got mad when it wasn't there. The game was good from the start. The console versions were fucked but pc was mostly fine. They needed more time to optimize it for consoles because they game was just too much for last gen. Cry about it while I enjoy one of the best games they've ever released I'm not debating you loser

Cyberpunk 2077's Turnaround Just Gave CD Projekt Its Second-Best Revenue Year Ever

exsea t1_jedgry8 wrote on March 31, 2023 at 5:31 AM

emi_yagami t1_jedso1r wrote on March 31, 2023 at 8:10 AM