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Geralt_Romalion t1_j23nbcz wrote

Franchises like Hearts of Iron make my head hurt.

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ehaykal t1_j24k2q7 wrote

My mind was melting by just attempting naval warfare in HOI 4

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ikantolol t1_j23nqpg wrote

JRPGs are notorious for this, many says the genre mainly focuses on story as they put less effort on combat but goddamn the thing you have to know is ridiculous.

Final Fantasy 8 is one such case with GF (a.k.a Summons/Eidolons), how you equip it, how you level it up, how it interacts with status, how it interacts with equipped spells, and its magic system that doesn't use mana point but instead act like a perishable items, which depends on how you do things, you can be massively underpowered in the endgame or ridiculously overpowered since Disc 1.

other genre that's notorious with having too many mechanics is the 'Grand Strategy' genre, basically all Paradox games (Hearts of Iron, Crusader Kings, Europa Universalis). You could open several semesters of class just to teach these games' basic mechanics.

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nitrobskt t1_j242vry wrote

FF8 is my personal favorite final fantasy, and it would be a nightmare to try and explain the junction system to someone who hasn't played it. That said, it is actually really simple once you get it.

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nantukoprime t1_j27uqwe wrote

I like how FF8 worked that into the story.

You're going to a military academy to learn those principles, as GFs and equipped spells are what turn teens into super soldiers. Downside to GFs is they take up space in long-term memory, so your entire cast can have useful amnesia to critical story points.

The best in game representation of the above systems working would be to play the game so you never level up (Totally possible through use of the GF system and some counterintuitive first couple of hours). Player and monster levels scale 1 to 1, so if you use the GF and spell system well you just feel like a super soldier for all disks.

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dat_potatoe t1_j23ykql wrote

F2P MMORPGs are probably the worst about this. There's so many different and completely detached-from-each-other premium currency and progression systems designed to keep you spending money in all of them.

  1. Mine and Smelt Ore to smith a Weathered-state weapon.
  2. Imbue your weapon with a special stone granted during PvP events to give it elemental damage.
  3. Upgrade the weapon at the Whetstone to increase it's stats up to a maximum of +10.
  4. Login daily or complete premium radiant quests to get special fairy dust that gives the weapon another mythical boost to it's stats for 24 hours.
  5. Go to the barter NPC and trade your Weathered weapon for a Pristine one for even better stats.
  6. Complete guild quests to gain a blessing of the guild for your weapon to even further it's performance.
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AuldSparra t1_j24ghwi wrote

Pathfinder: Kingmaker. Never before have I played a game that was so utterly determined to get in my way of playing the game.

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bideodames t1_j24lc0k wrote

Warframe was waaaay too much to put on a new player. Gotta spend the first couple hundred hours with a wiki open

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Alecrizzle t1_j26d7e2 wrote

Lmao came here to say xenoblade 2 and then saw you put xenovlade 3 hahah

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elhomerjas t1_j23odwi wrote

Final Fantasy VIII junction System is very complicated for a JRPG

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Sproeier t1_j23phbu wrote

For me Eu4 with all the DLC. and War frame.

With EU4 they just continued making the game more complex with each DLC adding a new feature or 2. War frame is mainly the way you unlock stuff.

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djmetalhawk t1_j23ttan wrote

I agree with you. Xenoblade 3 just threw in whatever came to mind.

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trippypees t1_j245o6m wrote

Xenoblade is probably up there, one of those games I wanted to play but the UI along with how it plays just doesn't interest me....other than that I have no interest in almost all MMOs for the same reason, also used to play some YuGiOh back in the day and I recently downloaded their latest game and found out there's a whole bunch of new mechanics added that's very overwhelming

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gravy_train101 t1_j246oms wrote

Any scrolls game. I don't have time to memorize/learn what every fucking thing does and don't care enough to look at every item in every slot either

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