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TheBirthing t1_jcgsae1 wrote

People aren't downvoting you because you're wrong. They're downvoting you because you're saying "push a vegetarian/vegan agenda" as though that's something dangerous or harmful.


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goofytoes t1_jcipl16 wrote

"Push a vegan agenda" sounds evil, sounds like they're trying to convert others by force, etc. And at the very least it definitely betrays your thoughts on the matter, showing disdain for the cause. It's a biased type of statement so it's hard for everyone to agree with you that "that's what it is."

Calling it "Vegan activisim” is a more neutral term that probably wouldn't get you down voted. Doesn't really betray what you think of it one way or another either.


camelCasing t1_jch21cv wrote

If you wanna go vegetarian whatever hats off don't forget to eat lots of beans for protein. Vegans, however, are the active source of many problems, most of which they choose to ignore while ignorantly claiming vegqn products to be "suffering free" in total disregard of the human suffering and ecological damage they cause.

I don't like the idea of killing for survival, but I can nonetheless acknowledge that a leather coat which degrades as toughened skin is better for the world than faux-leather that didn't cost a life that was already going to be eaten, but instead will dissolve into microplastics in the ocean to be the problem of future generations of all life on earth.

So yes, a vegan agenda is a harmful one. Not because not eating animals is wrong, but because vegans are ignorant and cause additional harm through that ignorance while trying to do a good thing.


LonliestMonroni t1_jchjgsm wrote

Wow, there really is someone who will argue against anything on reddit.

Are you just ignoring the environmental impact from factory farms? Also, every vegan I've known know are environmentally conscience people that wear naturally derived clothing. I'd bet money that the vast majority of vegans choose that way of explicitly because how destructive and harmful the meat industry has become. Obviously there are people who are vegan just for the moral high ground, but judging an entire group based off the minority is objectively stupid.


camelCasing t1_jchu8p3 wrote

When a group drives environmental damage on an industrial scale while claiming to be environmentally conscious I'm gonna judge it. Sorry if you feel like that's an insult to your vegan friends or whatever.


TheBirthing t1_jchwknb wrote

The 'industrial scale' of faux leather is a drop in the fucking bucket compared to animal agriculture.

To say nothing of the fact that not every vegan rocks around in a vegan leather jacket. It's just a really shit example to cherry pick.


camelCasing t1_jchzjgr wrote

It's just one of many. You're wasting your time, you're no more going to convince me than I am you.


TheBirthing t1_jci3uha wrote

Not trying to convince you of anything, just pointing out that if there's so many more examples I would have thought you could use a better one as the flagship of your argument.


LonliestMonroni t1_jcjr1l6 wrote

It's not insulting since you're argument is weaker than a vegan on a fast


goofytoes t1_jciqzly wrote

There is no environmental damage vegans do that nonvegans don't do as well, if not more. I say this as an omnivore. Your average person does not buy a lot of real leather, probably takes your average person several years even decades to buy a cow's worth. Even when vegans opt for plastic leather it's really not gonna be all that much.

There's no such thing as ethical consumption anymore. Just practices that reduce harm as much as feasibly possible. Veganism is overall great for the environment even if every vegan alternative isn't ideal for it. People who get all pissy about vegans are just mad that someone is acting "better" than them even if that isn't the attitude most vegans hold.


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