Exact3 t1_j9o2zlr wrote on February 23, 2023 at 10:33 AM

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..Yeah but the HD800 does this too. And it's nowhere near speakers when it comes to staging, separation, maybe a bit more detailed but not by much. And the bass, which is the biggest problem with headphones in comparison to speakers.

audiochef68 t1_j9o3oup wrote on February 23, 2023 at 10:43 AM

Don.t know why people think electrostatic earspeakers have no bass so untrue, it;s also tighter and faster bass, to get speakers to preform like the stax you would need to spend $20.000 on speakers and that much again on room treatments.

Exact3 t1_j9o42zu wrote on February 23, 2023 at 10:48 AM

Where are you pulling these arbituary numbers from? What I meant with the bass-comment is that headphones simply cannot do bass the same way a speaker can, a whole-body experience.

My speaker-setup has cost me about 2000€ so far, room treatment about 300€ (still more to come of course, gonna shoot up to about a grand in total) and the bass is fast, physical and doesn't ring in the room until the 40-30hz rangle. A couple bass traps achieved this, no need to spend 20k on them as your comment suggests lol. The whole presentation, with Dirac, is simply amazing, sold my HD800 since I simply don't even use them anymore due to this system, grand total of less than 3000.

VisceralVoyage420 t1_j9p6xdm wrote on February 23, 2023 at 4:18 PM

SubPac S2 can do bass better than any subwoofer. You'll feel every low note in your body and it's seamless with the headphones. I'll take the S2 bass over a subwoofer any day. No bass traps required and you can have a full body experience even at night without bothering anyone. And best of all, no hearing damage.

audiochef68 t1_j9o5y28 wrote on February 23, 2023 at 11:12 AM

There is much more to room acoustics than a couple of bass traps go get some pricing on wall and ceiling soundproofing, gee turn in a speaker a few degrees and it all can turn to shit, aleast headphones don't have that problem, i can also listen as loud as i like and any time i like without the neighbours wanting to kill me...

Exact3 t1_j9o75i7 wrote on February 23, 2023 at 11:27 AM

Well obviously, I do have panels on the side and backwalls and also a few in the ceiling. But I was talking about the bass that you mentioned needed 20k speakers and 20k treatment to sound fast like in headphones, which simply isn't true. Good placement (I used the masters-setup) coupled with capable, half-decent speakers and bass traps will get you there.

>gee turn in a speaker a few degrees and it all can turn to shit, aleast
headphones don't have that problem, i can also listen as loud as i like
and any time i like without the neighbours wanting to kill me...

Completely beside the point, but you do you. Have fun with the Stax, I'll enjoy my speakers :)