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SarcasticOptimist t1_j9zdebh wrote
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It's why they're in guitar amps. Nice even harmonic distortions make "warm" sounds if done right.
Lithominium t1_j9zfnqj wrote
I mean ive heard some solid state amps sound warm too
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SarcasticOptimist t1_ja0kf3d wrote
Yeah, those Kemper amps and even some plug-ins are eerily good.
GeckoDeLimon t1_ja0le9y wrote
A very different thing in a guitar amp. There, the preamp tubes, power tubes, power supply and speaker are all an extension of the electric guitar, much in the same way a bell mute does to a brass instrument.
If our goal in playback is pure reproduction of the recorded signal with as little distortion of that signal as possible (either linear or non-linear), then solid state is where it's at. The likes of Sansui & Yamaha had that pretty much sealed by the early 80s.
If you like the look and/or sound of tubes, that's perfectly fine. They do look hella cool and that can be enough, but we ought not kid ourselves that a tube playback stage is a step toward greater accuracy. Very, very, few are.
Silver-Ad8136 t1_ja0sanp wrote
Accuracy isn't always what you're after. I wouldn't want to have a dinner date under 2000 lumens of 6500k light @95 CRI.
Thought_Ninja t1_ja1yz26 wrote
This is a pretty good analogy.
Kawai_Oppai t1_ja2d31k wrote
But I would expect the restaurant to have provided a good ambiance that I don’t need to alter and change to enjoy.
When my food is plated and brought out I expect it to be good and ready to eat. I shouldn’t need to call the waiter over and re-season the meal or get different condiments or anything like that.
And a tube amp is exactly that. The artist has created sound and ‘perfected it’ to their vision and then people distort this sound through an imperfect amplification process.
Solid state plays back that experience the artist created.
Then if I’m being really honest on the subject, a tube amp isn’t necessary at all with a good DAC with different filter options. Sharp, slow, nos etc type of playback.
thms0 t1_ja31tha wrote
>Solid state plays back that experience the artist created.
The sound engineer created.
And sometimes they don't even think about it and use low tier recording material. Or have bad engineers.
Silver-Ad8136 t1_ja3qhje wrote
It's sort of hard to second guess the engineer studio. All the EQ in the world and the HE1 won't turn old recordings of The Great Gildersleeve into Avatar 2 in Atmos
thms0 t1_ja6ncxd wrote
Well I meen the "master" then. The guy that puts all different records into one.
Silver-Ad8136 t1_ja3rusu wrote
I guess I see it more as...you went over to Guga's and he made you one of his A5s, and you whip out a bottle of HP sauce. So, sure...it's "wrong" but it's also pretty delicious.
I'd also note, you hear partially with your eyes and 100% with your mind, so if glowing tubes and a VU meter and more boxes and cables, that hot, static smell...appeal, no you can't get that with software.
SarcasticOptimist t1_ja0r191 wrote
Definitely. It's why my setup is solid state and largely clinical (and tbh most of the time I'm using studio monitors).
But if you want warmth rather than analytical you don't mind certain kinds of distortion being added.
Silver-Ad8136 t1_ja0sihw wrote
Indeed, you seek out a sort of AM radio sound. That's more-or-less what "warm" means
9vjunkie t1_ja2v6iu wrote
You should see the back of my Mesa when it’s hot!
SarcasticOptimist t1_ja869sq wrote
Man those pre Gibson Mesas are historic in a good way. Hope you never need to sell them.
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