I'll try to keep this short xD. These cans sounded fine with the hiby fc3, but I got my hands on an old Sony hcd-n456 and I connected the aux with my phone to test drive the hd560s and there is a massive difference in their bass response and sound, at approximately the same level of loudness. They sound much less narrow and the bass is more more elevated. Why is this? I thought the fc3, at least on paper is powerful enough to drive them. Also I checked the system and it has no dsp/eq active. It's not like the fc3 is bad, it's that the Sony kinda improves (or maybe emphasizes) these two aspects. Was I listening to them in the wrong way all this time? Any input is welcome.

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blargh4 t1_jec7ql0 wrote on March 30, 2023 at 11:14 PM

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Like all these receivers/boomboxes, the headphone jack is a bit of afterthought and does not have a dedicated amplifier, but uses the speaker amp going through a resistor. The resistor causes the amp's output level to be very sensitive to variations in the headphone's impedance at different frequencies, which for most dynamic driver headphones gives you a midbass "boost" (though what's really happening is that it's struggling to drive the other frequencies at the same level). It also reduces the control the amp has over the movement of the driver, but I'm not sure to what extent this has an audible effect. You can get the same effect with an impedance adapter dongle.

FourOpposums t1_jecyn6v wrote on March 31, 2023 at 2:37 AM

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Replying to blargh4 (#2,505,312)

HD560 and high-end Sennheiser headphones in general are high ohm headphones, built in / designed for a time when people still used their stereo headphone jacks which use resistors as you describe

rhalf t1_jediyzf wrote on March 31, 2023 at 5:58 AM

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Replying to FourOpposums (#2,512,624)

HD560s is not very high-ohmic. It's in the middle. It's definitely not designed for high impedance outputs. 120 ohm or (whatever it has) is around the output of many of those headphone outs. Also the HD500 line has been 50ohm since I remember.

Portable amps with automatic gain read HD560s as a low impedance load.

FourOpposums t1_jedjjpm wrote on March 31, 2023 at 6:05 AM

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Replying to rhalf (#2,518,019)

I know they are 120 ohms and not 300 ohms like HD600/650 but I would not consider 120 to be a low ohms headphone. More generally, it is an explanation for why they sound better out of OPs moderately high output impedance headphone jack.

rhalf t1_jedk4un wrote on March 31, 2023 at 6:12 AM

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Replying to FourOpposums (#2,518,170)

To me it's more like these things are unrelated. The guy likes the sound, but it's not how they were designed. You get more bass and it changes the image, but that's a different tuning.

FourOpposums t1_jedkrya wrote on March 31, 2023 at 6:21 AM

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Replying to rhalf (#2,518,311)

Fair enough you do make a good point, I just don't agree with you lol. By OPs description of the sound I would prefer it too and that convinces me that they are functioning very well.

blargh4 t1_jedrcwp wrote on March 31, 2023 at 7:51 AM

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Replying to FourOpposums (#2,512,624)

Yeah, it was a reasonable/effective solution before low-impedance cans became more of the norm (presumably with the rise of the walkman/discman, where for similarly cost-sensitive reasons you'd rather need higher currents than higher voltages).

While it may flatter the Sennheisers, a few hundred ohms of output impedance will have much less agreeable effects for a lot of cans/IEMs, so I just want to assure OP that his headphone dongle is behaving as a modern headphone amp ought to.

No-Context5479 t1_jedzrgq wrote on March 31, 2023 at 9:54 AM

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The Sony didn't improve it, it's just the output impedance of the Sony headphone port being high enough (more than 1/th the impedance of the headphone) that's is altering the FR and adding bass boost... That's not the way the HD560S sounds

Intelligent_Yam_9360 OP t1_jeeqxpj wrote on March 31, 2023 at 2:10 PM

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Replying to blargh4 (#2,519,914)

Thank you for answering in such detail ☺️

Intelligent_Yam_9360 OP t1_jeer8xx wrote on March 31, 2023 at 2:12 PM

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Replying to No-Context5479 (#2,521,772)

Can I ask why this doesn't happen with lower impedance gear (such as oneodio, and marshall major 3) Both are 32 ohms and they sound just like when I plug them in a phone (but a little louder)....

Also thank you for answering so nicely 😊