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TheOnlyQueso t1_ir794yd wrote

I guess if you like glue and unrepairable scrap metal

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bloodystriker t1_irays77 wrote

That's what always confused me about apple hardware. Why put effort into making it look so good if it's never meant to be shown?

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TheOnlyQueso t1_irazm35 wrote

They know at some point it's going to be taken apart, and being stylish on all fronts is part of their brand image. But also, I think the apple engineers are likely perfectionists of sorts and want everything to be neat and tidy. It's mostly the black PCBs. It costs marginally more, but it's worth it to apple.

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idontliketopick t1_ir7hpxo wrote

It helps to be informed before making outrageous claims.

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TheOnlyQueso t1_ir7ks06 wrote

https://youtu.be/K2WhU77ihw8

Don't take information from just one source. iFixit has long been generous with the ratings they give apple, I'm not sure if it's due to different teardown reviewing staff or methodology but they frequently have given competing androids that are easier to repair much lower marks than iPhones.

Regardless of that, however, don't put any faith in apple's so called "repairability". It appears to be more repairable - but the reality is that it's absolutely no different due to the software locks and availability of parts being terrible.

It's a PR stunt. Apple sees the encroaching right to repair laws and reacts with it like this to present an image to the public that they're being repair friendly, in an attempt to make people think right to repair laws are unnecessary.

In most cases, doing the repair apple's way yourself is actually more expensive than getting it done by apple. That's not repairability, it's marketing.

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Vince789 t1_ir8j80b wrote

iFixit's "repairability scores" are a joke

iFixit never actually tries fixing anything when doing those scores, they should be renamed to "teardownability scores"

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idontliketopick t1_ir7lvwl wrote

Eh, I've found them to be pretty accurate if not a little too harsh. YMMV based on how comfortable you are at taking things apart though. I've never worked on an iPhone, I don't own one so maybe they're more difficult. Definitely software locks are no good. But so are blanket "unrepairable scrap metal" statements.

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TheOnlyQueso t1_ir7qf2a wrote

They're still unrepairable scrap metal unless they make a real effort to make parts available at reasonable prices, remove all software locks and provide schematics for board repair. I don't rescind my comment; it's true. The same is true for any other company that follows in apple's footsteps, including samsung, and google.

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SirMaster t1_ir82zd8 wrote

Can’t you buy parts and tools directly from the Apple website now for iPhones and such?

https://support.apple.com/self-service-repair

Is there an equivalent for Pixel phones or Samsung phones for example?

I’m not real familiar.

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TheOnlyQueso t1_ir84gti wrote

You can, but only certain parts, and it's almost or even more expensive than having apple do it. Schematics still aren't available, which is just as crucial as parts availability, as it allows repairing specific components far more economically than just replacing the entire thing. A single resistor can be replaced instead of an entire $700 motherboard from apple.

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Revo_Veneno t1_ir9epzi wrote

Don't be fooled. That's for the media.

This self repair shit is a joke. It will be more expensive for you to DIY on the most cases than to do it at their place. This service is simply there so apple can appear to be on the right side of the story and fool you and me into believe that they believe in "eco friendliness" bullshit they do. They do it for a tax break, they do it so they can lure you into buying their phone with less guilt because appearantly, they allow you to fix your own phone so you can save the planet. They do it for the money, don't get it wrong.

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idontliketopick t1_ir8k1xq wrote

Okay. I'll just keep scrolling on this Google phone I repaired. Apparently I didn't and it's scrap though.

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TheOnlyQueso t1_ir8kopx wrote

I have a Samsung I've repaired as well; however, the first screen replacement I bought wasn't even close to the original. I had to return it and buy a used OEM one. And I can't find a replacement back that won't crack since they're all made from super cheap glass.

I've had so many pixels break I've lost count, and most of the time it's not economical to do the repair.

All of these companies have terrible options for repair

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Revo_Veneno t1_ir9fm1b wrote

Honestly, you can get better at repairs. My first screen repair is hot garbage to be brutally honest, but it's on a 5 year old xiaomi phone that's my mom's backup so it doesn't matter as much. And then I gotten better at it and learnt to use better glue and better technique. The LG V60 that I used to use (before I handed it to my uncle) had a DIY replacement screen, I was really proud of it as it's all still waterproof too because used the B7000 glue instead of superglue.

It takes a bit of skill, but having an option is always better.

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idontliketopick t1_ir8nw3b wrote

Sounds pretty shiddy tbh. I haven't had Samsung since the first Galaxy S, been using pixels since the first one. Only had to repair one, 4a5g. Screen was like $110. I can't tell the difference. My eyes may suck though. Generally I have good luck with electronics though. I fried a MacBook once with a 3rd party charger but otherwise made many upgrades to them over the years with ease. Now I opt for the solder everything in there so it's as small as possible option and run a tower at home.

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Joulle t1_ir7woxx wrote

Samsung glues their phone batteries in place. Must be awful to replace a battery.

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ChrisFox-NJ t1_ir7xv5j wrote

Well, Apple does the exact same thing, just like any other phone manufacturer, otherwise the battery would rattle around in your phone.

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Revo_Veneno t1_ir9eer0 wrote

Did they install a malicious chip that serial match just about every component on the phone so you can't swap those out on your own?

I don't think so.

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Joulle t1_ir9qsgv wrote

that's also shitty but not every android phone manufacturer does that glue thing either.

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Revo_Veneno t1_irbg1ud wrote

Every phone is glued together. That's how phones are made now.

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Joulle t1_irbk9w5 wrote

I'm talking about the battery, not the phone. Serviceable parts shouldn't be glued.

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Revo_Veneno t1_ircg2jx wrote

That's fair. I hate when stuff are glued together too but at least that can be remedied with a hair dryer. I havent taken apart a samsung before (only xiaomi and LG as that's the two brands I buy) and by far all of them have pull tabs on battery glues which is pretty easy to deal with.

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ohtobymytoby t1_ir7je9h wrote

This doesn't discount their multi-decade history of be8ng anti-consumer lol, I'm certainly glad they're finally changing though

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Revo_Veneno t1_ir9f7pi wrote

Problem is. They are not. They did it because it benefits their public image so more people can buy their phones with less guilt.

Apple is still anti consumer, more so than the other companies that is blatent about it. Apple is fooling you into a wrong set of belief of their company. It's decietful, and in my eyes even worse than a company that just says fuck the consumers like John deree. John Deree made it clear that it doesn't want to play nice with you so you can choose to not buy their shit. Apple however is trying to trick you into believing that they are changing while they crank their productions up while everyone is fooled, buying their unrepariable, condom-like hunks of junk. That's a smart business stragety to make money, but it sure is a scummy one.

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Revo_Veneno t1_ir9e7t5 wrote

That's what people believe in. Apple can literally shit unfixable shit on some peoples face, and people will still say "hey at least they are trying".

Apple is not trying, they are doing the opposite. Don't apologize for them, that's how they get away with it.

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