Submitted by 1080pin4k t3_yacmiy in headphones
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I'm totally unsurprised that a large Discord server based around the following the reviews and impressions of one person will get toxic when encountering an opinion not shared by that person. It's following the rule that the toxicity of a fanbase increases with both age and size.
Look at some of the comments OP responded to and see the ban was entirely justified as he was claiming pretty provably wrong ideas about headphones and sounds overly stubborn about it while he was going to other communities to talk bad about Crinacle’s server to get validation. Childishly also coming here and doing the same to get some karma.
Edit: another great example of their inappropriate behavior is their multiple extremely defensive replies trying to validate themselves even in response to the same reply. Look below and on other replies to this post. Nearly any claim they’ve made that got questioned they will write a paragraph or more. If this is how they acted in the server it even more validates their ban.
I would rather hash it out with people directly in a discussion, but these toxic cringe members on discord don't really believe in that, so one can only defend themselves on another public forum. And my intention isn't just to defend myself, but to expose a wrong and to hold a group with power in a community accountable.
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As you stated prior, you went to a server that is created by someone who is known for disagreeing with crinacle. You got banned and directly seeked validation by going to a server you could likely have confidence in assuming their support after getting banned from the discord owned by the guy disliked by their server owner guy. Can you not see the immaturity in that? After seeing other screenshots of how you acted, it’s clear you were pushy with your ideas for no reason at all and were likely looking for validation. Very happy to see mods respect the community enough to remove this post considering how it could affect less informed readers of this subreddit.
Also, many more official and trusted outlets have recommended the 8XX as a consumer product, including other popular headphone reviewers. You could say those people are shilling a product for money, but many of them don't get compensated for the review on this headphone and only gain haters from communities like Crin's. So if you acknowledge this, then please don't accuse me of having wrong ideas about headphones when similar opinions are widely expressed among the community.
What wrong ideas? Why is it wrong to ask other people for validation. What gave you the power to be the sole arbiter of truth about headphones?
I don't know op, you claim differences between copper and silver cables as well as differences when using different sources and you really love the 8xx. You are well within your right to believe these, but why are you then in a highly objective oriented community like crin's?
ok I won't stand by other things I said. the copper silver thing was specifically around using the official Fiio stock silver cables for the Fh7 or Fd7 iems, switched out with a cheaper copper wire from another stock cable of some other iem. I claimed I heard differences in the treble region, no improvements to sound quality.
I only use my headphones with one amp/dac setup, I don't use them with anything else. I was asking people about tube amps, since I was still skeptical on those. I have no idea what these headphones would sound like on anything outside my own setup, but I don't think the amp/dac plays a huge role in sound differences. Crinacle stated that after trying various dac/amp combinations, he didn't hear a difference for the 8xx or at least no improvements, so I don't feel that's a good starting point and trusted his comment on that.
i need that first copypasta please.
E: some gems
>This man is a chagrin of copium, a mockery of what it means to be firstly, malicious in being conniving and being a portrait of bad faith. Secondly, he isn't misinformed, but actively delusional
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>If it was good, you would have been akin to a lover, getting comfortable with her flaws and attitude, but instead you marked her up like a cheap plastic Barbie, ready to go under the knife for your own personal happiness despite the damage it would cause her and your relationship.
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>A blind man once told me, I'd rather be blind everyday instead of deaf, for I can listen to the sound of music and my loved ones. If I slipped your [product] onto him, he would insist on going deaf and being released from his prison of pain.
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>He has besmirched the name of good [brand], the [product] and [product] are terrible and the [product ] is the one true king, in a complete Peripeteia.
It depresses me how the Maliciously Misinformed role includes both myself and this clown. maliciously misinformed doesn't mean you cope with and shill a product, it goes deeper- into scars of the psyche, the desire to be an equal despite your position as the peak of the Dunning Kruger Curve. We don't talk about a singular product, we talk about mentally simulating copper and silver oxidates in cables, how seaweed green in the SSR cable makes the soundstage clearer, we compare wine to audio (despite never having a taste of either). This man is a chagrin of copium, a mockery of what it means to be firstly, malicious in being conniving and being a portrait of bad faith. Secondly, he isn't misinformed, but actively delusional. I can read a graph and be like hey the 1.5k is fucked because of the recession, but this man thinks oh hey, there's a dip in the fucking 1.5k, l know that there's a dip! This man has willfully encroached and entered a hole of being convinced that literal stickers being taken off will change the FR in such a meaningful way that the headphone will be good despite the efforts of everyone (including the very headfi thread posting measurements and analogies proving they didn't). He has besmirched the name of good Sennheiser, the hd800 and hd800S are terrible and the hd8xx is the one true king, in a complete Peripeteia. I am completely flabbergast and lost for words at this low effort trolling and insistent attitude that hd8xx is good. If it was good, you would have been akin to a lover, getting comfortable with her flaws and attitude, but instead you marked her up like a cheap plastic Barbie, ready to go under the knife for your own personal happiness despite the damage it would cause her and your relationship. A blind man once told me, I'd rather be blind everyday instead of deaf, for I can listen to the sound of music and my loved ones. If I slipped your hd8xx onto him, he would insist on going deaf and being released from his prison of pain.
You can't but admire the effort that went into this.
Then as an UwUpasta
Exaggerating the positives and negatives between headphones and their differences to prove a point or push a preference really isn't good for the audio hobby. Sadly many fall into this (I have as well)
Hoping the community continues to improve
Yeah being a zeos fan I’ve had to learn how to read him and what he says in hyperbolic reviews and that he sort of reviews from point zero and not really in comparison to anything specifically
https://rohsa.gitlab.io/articles/quit-ief-and-stop-updates/
Seems like that is the case, Rohsa the person who created the equaliser tool in crinacle's website and those in squig.link has quit the server due to toxicity and power tripping mods.
That being the case Op is the kind of person who believes in sound differences btw silver and copper cables and source memes as well as really pushing the 8xx so he kinda is a contrarion that may get on people's nerves, especially in a really objective oriented community like crin's discord, also only op's side is represented in these screenshots so i would give the crin community the benefit of the doubt in this specific instance.
some members stated that equaliser tools like autoeq were bad, to say the least they were insulting it. Doesn't lend much to their credibility, but okay...
my lord, I don't strongly believe in differences between cables or sources. Idk what you're referencing on "source memes", but for the cable, I just said I heard treble region differences with specific iems and specific cables for them. I was curious one day and tried to switch my cables between my cheaper and more expensive iem, just to see if there was any difference, and I heard a more piercing treble spike when I used a different cable with the same iem. That's just my own ears or brain, not an objective scientific statement.
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Sometimes I am contrarian to see what people think, but I don't think that fairly represents the specific context of my engagement with the community on the 8xx.
Isn't it convenient leaving out screenshots that would show you're straight up lying and only showing out of context screenshots that seem to support your claim?
I'm not able to post what I personally posted or other comments because they banned me from the server. I would gladly be transparent about it, let them share whatever they want. It's hard for one person to defend themselves against a mob when it's easy for people to side with the party that has more people. Literally, mob mentality.
I can defend my statements in a court, but biased mods and other toxic individuals speak as if they alone determine what is true.
You are unable to post other comments due to being banned yet somehow you've created this post with 3 screenshots from the server? And said 3 screenshots are all conveniently from starboard without any context whatsoever, its pretty easy to see what you're going for with this post OP.
Before I was banned, I was kicked. When I was kicked, I was able to see one channel with pinned comments like those. After an hour, I was banned because the mods saw me complaining about the server in other places.
Forgot to mention said other places included sharur's apple house sound server huh.
Just look at the relevant facts. You decide what you think about the 8XX from your own research. But the behavior of their members speaks for itself, you can see how they treat people who promote an audio product they dislike or misunderstand. It doesn't matter if I was even wrong about the topic, they were still very toxic and it's inexcusable behavior.
Sharur dislikes Crinacle, and I don't agree with his opinions, but they are willing to listen about criticism of his community. I respect Crinacle, but I don't respect his toxic community and mods.
So you simply prefer communities that validate your opinions and past actions? Because your time spent in crinacle's server was spent trying to get people to agree with and/or validate your opinions, as your statements were objectively wrong, the mods put you in their place as per the rules. Moderating according to the rules you AGREE with when you first enter the server is toxic to you?
You could share measurements and graphs, and those can be reliable, but everyone gets different measurements. Also, you have to trust that the person correctly modded and measured the product. Even the people who are best at measuring make mistakes on measurements, both crinacle and oratory had issues in the past. I would still trust their measurements, but in this one case, oratory was the only measurement I saw and he admitted he didn't fully remove an adhesive material that was impacting the tuning. When I asked him about this, he admitted that if he was able to fully remove it, it would have changed the sound to some degree but he didn't get that far. I could see how this amount of effort turns off many people, but some people are willing to put in work for something if they're saving money.
Smartest Sharur fan
Is it really hard for people not to assume things? I'm not a Sharur fan, I was a member of the server purely for entertatinment. In fact I never agreed with them about their views on Crin. After my experience, I thought they would appreciate hearing about my experience but they didn't. People just don't care to hear out someone who wasn't towing the line with a group. It's sad that people don't give everyone a fair shot, but I know I can't expect people to be as unbiased and critical as a courtroom.
I just don't understand the mentality that it's somehow wrong for someone to debate opinions about a headphone product in a headphone product community. I don't have a right to defend my opinions? Also the accusation of false statements, I just don't understand how it can be said that I gave any false statements about my defense of the headphone. I don't mind if people disagreed with me aboout it, I mind that people were toxic especially the people who are supposed to be unbiased and moderate rules for things like harassment or bad behavior, not headphone opinions. If my opinion was bad, let them state it was bad and leave it alone.
Now yes I pushed some buttons with overspeaking on the topic, but only to defend myself against their accusations. For things unrelated to the headphone topic, I admitted fault. I still think it's toxic behavior on their part.
Also there was no definitive proof about the objectivity of claims, I can't objectively prove that modding the 8xx would make it the same as the 800s or whatever, I only said it was my experience and that I personally recommended it. Why is it wrong to express a recommendation, I'm not a reviewer or license holder, I'm just another audio consumer sharing their beliefs about a product.
I'll disclose that I got banned for sharing unrelated opinions, but that further shows that the community and moderation are just toxic. I think one has a right to be angry about being treated in such a way when you were just contributing to the community.
I’ve found anything around crinacle to be quite toxic. I think people have taking his character too literally and also having a very large group of people in there it goes from everyone pretending to be no nonsense, to head up arse territory very quickly.
People forgetting this is a subjective hobby for making air wiggles and tickling brains and really not much more than that at the core of it. Hell we all hear differently and have massive sensitivity swings. It’s only ever opinion.
I've realized it myself after my experience. I still will listen to Crinacle's opinions because he's a respected reviewer and audio expert. I'm not close to either of those things, but I can comprehend reading his reviews and sharing my interpretation of his messages. In my recollection, I found that he felt it wasn't a good enough product on its own to recommend but if people were interested, it could still be improved if they wanted to save money. I think that's a fair and valid opinion.
I think crin himself is fine just everything around him gets murky.
I mean you might like it but it’s not a value product at all. And for that money if I had to EQ I’d personally be disappointed I guess if you prefer something and it’s cheaper it kinda doesn’t leave a lot of room to be recommended in ones head.
I would love for drop to have released it the way everyone wanted it. I don't agree with how it was made at stock either. I just think, if you want an 800s but you wanted to save money, it would've made sense to try the 8xx. Sure you might be able to find used 800s or an 800 itself with SDR modded, but it's better to have a store-backed product in new condition (although many don't trust Drop even though the parts are compatible with Sennheiser's materials), and the 800 might be great but isn't the 800s. So i think it's a good value for people trying to save in the 1000 range.
The other reason is, almost everyone that bought the 8xx has liked it, and those who tried EQ or modding ended up saying that it improved the sound substantially to their liking. I know there are many other great headphones out there, but the 800 line is very unique in what it is. It's one of the only ones with the sennheiser-like signature sound, with unique features in how it presents soundstage/imaging and orchestral/classical music.
So my point is, it isn't the best headphone, but I think it deserves to be part of someone's collection, if they're willing to make some accommodations in exchange for savings on price.
>A blind man once told me, I'd rather be blind everyday instead of deaf, for can listen to the sound of music and my loved ones. If I slipped your hd8xx onto him, he would insist on going deaf and being released from his prison of pain.
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You kept trying to push your point as "facts" even after being proven wrong, the icing on the cake was your statement about 8XX with EQ sounding better than 800 "but i never tried the 800 so idk".
Unlike Reddit, Discord isn't a good place for purchase validation. Being a real time chatroom, people can and will call bullshit on things they disagree with.
At 10:30 timestamp on Crinacle's video about the 8xx titled "goodn't," he expressely stated that the build, resolution, and imaging were essentially the same but were hindered by the tuning changes. He later stated that eqing the headphone gains his approval for a minimum recommendation. Since he didn't perform all these different tests or mods, he was not sure how it would affect the headphone. He only compared stock performance. And also, he stated that 8xx had A+ technicalities in his written review, but because of D- tuning it gained a C average ranking score. So I don't think I was misleading anyone with my statements.
now regarding the sound, I never tested the 800 so I won't say it's better, but my research showed that the general consensus was that 800s officially improved upon the 800 sound signature, and since I was able to compare my 8xx to an 800s, I felt comfortable stating that if the 8xx sounds as good or better than 800s with eq and mods, that it would in fact also sound better than an 800. But I disclosed that I never tested that theory.
they can disagree with me all they want, but there was no need to dogpile on me with insults and penalties.
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real mature analysis, thanks bro...
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I have noticed this trend laying with people who look at stats more than listen to music. ASR, Crinacle, etc.
I think that's pretty true of AV people in general, rather than watching content we just care about specs. It's cringe but it's addicting I guess.
you don't need to just watch content, you have so many forums that you can hear a 100 people speak on any particular headphone. I'm addicted to my audio setup honestly, my eyes are usually closed and im off into space, that's why stats don't matter.
EDIT: You're listening to sounds not looking at them lol.
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