Submitted by Nostalgia_V t3_z1z2qn in headphones

Disclaimer: I'm not a professional reviewer. I have only a layman's rudimentary understanding and knowledge of tech and jargon. Take this as a normal guy who likes music and wants it to sounds good.

I've always wanted a pair of Audezes, years ago teenage me never thought I would be in the position to purchase a pair. The day finally arrived where I felt I could hit the "buy button" and not fear that I would have to solely exist on ramen for a month. I'm also at the age where probably over the next fedw years my hearing will probably significantly decrease due to past damage (wear earplugs kids!). I figured if I don't pull the trigger now... I may not get to enjoy the full soundscape of these headphones. A few days and a lower account balance later an Audeze box arrived.

Build Quality and First Thoughts:

Going through the unboxing process I was impressed by the effort that was put into the presentation. Nice protective case, warranty card, hand signed inspection card, nice cables, etc. The cans themselves are heavy, but the jokes about them breaking necks are blown out of proportion. Yes, they have tons heft - but the headband's weight distribution is 🤌. I find them more comfortable than the DT1990s. As far as ruggedness they seem more delicate than the DT1990s. The DT1990s are a Panzer MBT - Rugged and IED proof. They evoke a head montage of German foundries pouring molten metal to the sounds of Ministry. Fire, hammers, and sparks. SOLID.

The LCD-X on the other hand is like a sports car - Expensive looking, capable, and built to deliver performance. But, you wouldn't want to take it down a road with pot holes. The yokes that hold the ear cups are a lot less substantial than I would expect. I'm actually on my second pair of LCD-Xs. The first pair that I received were extremely underwhelming in the quality department. 1/4 jack was crooked, clicking and popping from the right diaphragm, loose screws, and the slot where the headband yoke inserts into right ear cup was not milled/punched properly causing them to sit offset on my head (like wtf). That example was one of the worst quality to expense items I've ever purchased - fit and finish was utter shit. The second pair however, extremely pleased with them. But the design itself doesn't invoke a feeling of ruggedness. I have reservations of how they will hold up long term.

The Sound:

I hastily plugged them in and begun to do back to back comparisons (with and without EQ) against my DT1990s. I had a few tracks in mind:

Atomized - Machinegum

1991 - Crystal Castles

Bark at the Moon - Ozzy

Anarchy Road - Carpenter Brut

Everybody Wants to Rule the World - Tears For Fears

Enter Galactic - Kid Cudi

The Arm - Islands

The sound... The sound! Holy shit! The LCD-Xs fill that proverbial sonic hole in my soul. I've owned AKG 712pros, Sundaras, K-55s (nostalgia). and more recently the DT1990pros. All of which I run through a Mayflower ARC mk2. The Sundara's warmed me to planars, I knew my next pair after the DT1990s would be a either DCAs or Audezes. The LCD-Xs are waaaay easier to drive, I found that the dial on the Arc mk2 was at a quarter of what the DT1990s required for the same volume.

The LCD-Xs are definitely warmer than the DT1990s (no duh right?). The DT1990s are an amazing headphone. Price per dollar there are very few cans that can compare. However, the DT1990s are aggressive, and can be exhausting and fatiguing. I also found it hard to listen to music while working with them on. The DT1990s present the music in such way that you are almost forced to critically listen to the track coming through them. They are just so engaging, they hold your ears hostage (in a good way)! The LCD-Xs clarity and imaging are staggering, much like the DT1990. They don't have the impact or slam of the DT1990s, but they just sound bigger. Bass doesn't "boom", it envelops. Sub-bass is very present (I love it!). Mids are full and thick, albeit recessed. I found the guitar on "Bark at the Moon" much more textured and engaging. In my minds eye I could picture and feel the recesses between the windings of the guitar strings as they vibrated. The Treble is present, but not hammering your eardrums like the DT1990s likes to. I'm a bit treble sensitve, and even with EQ I still find the DT1990s peaky.

The Sound stage is deep and tall, it's hard to describe from a layperson's perspective. The LCD-Xs present instruments and vocals on top and close around of you, but not in your head like Sennheisers. it's like your head is sitting in a massive deliciously layered sound cake. Where the DT1990s sound like a concert hall, the LCD-Xs sound like you're center stage at a smaller venue. The pure bandwidth of information the LCD-Xs convey is substantial. Machinegum's Atomized is a great example of a rich and layered song. I found little Easter eggs of sound on the LCD-Xs, that were previously more recessed on the DT1990s.

EQ'd: Tuned to oratory1990's EQ presets... Well damn, these are better than I could ever have hoped. Treble is more glistening and present, but not peaky. Bass is a bit more relaxed but not gutted. They sound much more like a neutral reference headphone. Very nice and balanced. But their overall sound signature is still laid-back, darker, and deeper. Darker doesn't mean muddled or muted, just more bottom-end focused?

Conclusion:

My hang ups about build quality aside; these are now my daily drivers. I will be selling my DT1990s. These provide the sound that I prefer. It's my opinion that technically the LCD-Xs are superior to the DT1990s, and for the price tags you would hope so. They are the first headphone that makes me really want to go back and re-listen how music can be presented differently through them, and even start plunging into looking into other headphone I wouldn't normally consider. If my Sundaras were the gateway drug, these are a full blown addiction.

TLDR: The LCD-Xs are a real and actual upgrade from the DT1990s.

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SeeminglyUselessData t1_ixdri72 wrote

The thing I love about my XC is that, since the distortion is so low at 115 DB, you can boost the sub bass sky high and it will shake your soul with zero distortion. They are heavy but extremely capable for sure

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imdabesss t1_ixdtx61 wrote

Same with my LCD-2C's. They handle low end EQ like no other.

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Nostalgia_V OP t1_ixducgc wrote

Starting to sense that Audeze is the king of low-end.

In your opinion is there any major difference tonaly compared to the X? Take it bass is stronger?

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SeeminglyUselessData t1_ixeouer wrote

Oh I meant the X line in general, I just specified XC because that’s the one I own, but they’re both beasts in the bass. The XC has slightly more because of the cup housing reinforcing the bass a little but you can get the same effect on the X with EQ. The drivers on both are basically distortionless thanks to the massive double sided magnet array, truly a workhorse 💯 Plus, yours has better soundstage but my room is noisy sadly

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laujac t1_ixfs4x5 wrote

XC distort because planars are meant for bidirectional movement and the diaphragm warps under low pressure. I’d stay away from them. (Audeze is aware).

Amir created an EQ profile that I really enjoy. The bass out of the box is flat and there’s a huge dip at 3500hz just make sure to dial back your preamp or set head room.

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X-Frame t1_ixfsvza wrote

What sort of EQ have you tried for the sub-bass? For example like +10 db under 50 Hz? +20?!

I recently got X’s and seriously love juicy low ends and curious how high I can put the EQ.

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LucasRunner t1_ixdl731 wrote

Fantastic write up.

The LCD-X is definitely on my future acquisition plans after an HD650.

I'm still trying to figure if I get myself either an HD800S and an LCD-X as my higher end headphone after the 650.

How's Audeze's warranty and durability, know anything about it? Definitely curious and excited as I like characteristics such as this "enveloping" feeling some headphones have.

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blorg t1_ixg1q2o wrote

>HD800S and an LCD-X

They're almost opposite headphones. HD800S is bright and very light and ethereal sounding. Bass lacks impact. It's not like the bass is not there, there is bass and it's very high quality. It also takes EQ very well, and this helps, but even after EQ it's still somewhat thin and ethereal sounding. It's actually a very "planar" sounding headphone despite using a dynamic driver, it's also extremely fast and detailed.

LCD-X the bass is seriously impressive but tuning (for my taste, which is basically Harman) is terrible out of the box, it's a muffled echoey mess with severely recessed upper mids. Oratory1990's Harman EQ transforms it but I do still feel the HD800S sounds more natural, with better timbre. The bass on the LCD-X is something else though. It has far more impact and presence than the HD800S, it's a lot more "fun" and "engaging".

Don't buy the LCD-X unless you are prepared to EQ it, for me it is trash without EQ. After EQ it's a different headphone, some headphones EQ is minor tweaks, adding a bass shelf, removing a single 6kHz peak- not this one, it needs a complete do-over. The LCD-X has extremely low distortion and takes EQ very well.

For classical I'd pick the HD800S. For hip-hop the LCD-X.

They really are polar opposite headphones.

If you were looking for more of an all rounder, two other options that are I think better all-rounders.

The OG Focal Clear is a direct upgrade to the HD650 with a very similar overall tonality, but much punchier with better technicalities. Much better soundstage and imaging than the HD650, but this is a low bar. Soundstage is still much smaller than the likes of the HD800S or Arya. At the current $830 sale price on headphones.com it's a bargain, I'd run not walk and buy it.

The Hifiman Arya Stealth would still be the one I'd pick if I could only have one. It has it all- great soundstage, linear bass extension, great stock tonality, even better with a little EQ. Very comfortable. Works with every genre, like for me the HD800S and LCD-X are definitely headphones I would use for specific things, but not other things. The Arya Stealth I'd use for anything and it would sound good.

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LucasRunner t1_ixjohrm wrote

Thank you for the write up and impressions, it really helps.

In my case, i listen alot to soundtracks, vocal heavy like Enya, Sarah Brightman, indie, some melancholic ambient stuff.

For this reason I believe having a headphone that pushes vocals forwards like the 650, for that intimate presentation, and another headphone like the 800s for the soundstage and "ethereal" feeling it would give my darker indie and ambient stuff would be nice.

However, the bass presentation on the X could be absolutely welcome for the drumming present in metal such as Tool.

I noticed l that, for my tastes, imaging actually helps metal as much as bass extension because it makes the drums feel "right over there".

You see... this is why I lean at having the 650 and the 800s later, with the X being that wildcard that could be extremely good for metal.

Anyways, thank you so much for the talk, I enjoy talking about this stuff.

What do you listen to?

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Nostalgia_V OP t1_ixhw27v wrote

Very thorough write up. Are the Aryas a lot brighter than the LCDXs? Like in a very significant way?

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blorg t1_ixhxf8q wrote

The main difference is in the upper mids and low treble, rather than the high treble, between around 2.5-5.5kHz:

https://crinacle.com/graphs/headphones/graphtool/?share=IEF_Neutral_Target,LCD-X_(2021),Arya_Stealth

The Aryas are a LOT brighter, but in this case a lot brighter is also a lot more correct and normal sounding, for me.

By target curve adherence, I'd say the Aryas are a little over target in that area, but the LCD-X is way under target. EQ largely fixes this. I'd still take the Arya Stealth over it if I could only have one though. Better soundstage, detail, and sounds more natural. Bass slams harder on the LCD-X though.

They are very different headphones, the Arya is closer to the Focal Clear and HD800S (or for that matter the HD650) than it is to the LCD-X. The LCD-X is the outlier that is totally different from the others, all of which have more correct pinna gain.

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Nostalgia_V OP t1_ixdnh0b wrote

They come with a 3 year warranty on the drivers and a 1 year warranty on everything else.

The cans feel durable, but defintely require a bit more of care in handling than the dt1990s Audeze recommends things like not pushing hard on the ear cups while wearing them, for fear that air pressure from them being sealed on your head will damage the diaphragms.

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becuzwhateverforever t1_ixfjdkd wrote

If you are willing to EQ, the LCD-X are a pretty sweet pair of cans. The tuning is a little weird even on the 2021 revision. I owned both the X and HD800S at the same time and they sort of have opposite qualities.

I will say that if someone put a gun to my head and made me choose, I’d pick the LCD-X over the HD800S.

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CPOx t1_ixe0iat wrote

(After EQ'ing to Oratory's settings) I loved the bass presentation of the LCD-X but they still felt too relaxed for *my personal* sound signature preference. I'm sure it's because of HiFiMan's boosted brightness, but there were plenty of details I was hearing in the Edition XS that I wasn't hearing any more in the LCD-X.

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schmeagles96 t1_ixdzeka wrote

I got my LCD-X's about a week ago and absolutely love them. Hopefully one of my last headphone purchases in a very long tong time 😅

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ThisGuyFrags t1_ixe7zjp wrote

100% agreed, went from 1990 to LCD-X back in September as well.

LCD-X is already great without eq, and I'd say it's extremely flat with the cleanest bass I've ever heard.

However, after adding EQ (I settled on doing oratory1990 preset, then adjusting for taste from there. Mainly increased the bass shelf to +15db starting at 175hz and increased the mid/high shelf to +10, then took away 2-4 db from 6k, added 1 or 2 db to 8k), this headphone is truly glorious. So far I'm perfectly content with it and couldn't be happier.

I have a secondary pc that I'm using the 1990 with, but now I want to upgrade that to something with just as good (if not better) bass, but with more tolerable treble. I wasn't sensitive to the treble on 1990 until my brain got used to the LCD-X, then listen to it again. Every time I try EQing the 1990, it just sounds worse, no matter what I've tried. Although the treble is harsh, at the same time, it's what makes the headphone sound really good and reducing that takes away the magic.

Edit: I also feel like 1990 isn't a true open back, it's more of a semi-closed headphone. They really should call it the 1880 pro

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Nostalgia_V OP t1_ixhvsiz wrote

This is exactly how I felt after doing a few more back to backs.

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X-Frame t1_ixjsz99 wrote

I’m going to give these EQ tweaks a try! What sort of music do you listen to with the X?

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ThisGuyFrags t1_ixo3b0c wrote

Mostly metal. Metallica, Trivium, Disturbed, 5FDP, Powerwolf, Amon Amarth, etc

I'd say 85% metal, the rest edm/rock with the occasional guilty pleasure pop

Let me know how they work!

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X-Frame t1_ixq2hak wrote

Awesome to hear! I’m mostly Metal and EDM myself so I’ll definitely give your EQ adjustments a try. For the adjustments you mentioned such as at 6K, are you adding a new band to oratory’s for that flat 6K value or adjusting one of his bands closest to 6K?

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ThisGuyFrags t1_ixr5t0r wrote

I figured it'll be much easier to just post the screenshot of peace and the graph instead of explain it:

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ku1185 t1_ixe4uaq wrote

I like both of those headphones.

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Orava1988 t1_ixgg7s5 wrote

I sold my LCD2Cs because they were simply too heavy for my liking. I definitely didn't sell them because of the sound. In fact, I sometimes still think of their lows. I miss them...

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HankolaSmithSmith t1_ixfg7ye wrote

Likely going to exit this world the next time I read anything about oratory1990 eq presets. Just eq to your personal preference.

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