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uzimyspecial t1_iy8dwvl wrote

Reply to comment by BlueSwordM in I do use Spotify more nowadays by UnnecessaryMovements

yeah, just compare MP3's efficiency to Opus, which i think for most tracks is transparent at about 128kbps.

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klogg4 t1_iy8lxm0 wrote

Man, it's so cool that you can listen to YouTube and it sounds almost transparent because of Opus. This codec rocks hard.

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uzimyspecial t1_iy8xo9q wrote

is that sarcasm? i assume not.

Tho i'm p sure youtube uses some kinda volume normalization or something going on. it always sounds worse to my ears than spotify.

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BlueSwordM t1_iy91evs wrote

It's not sarcasm.

For 90-95% of tracks, 128kbps Opus 1.3.1 us psychoacoustically transparent.

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uzimyspecial t1_iy91r6b wrote

oh ok. sorry, thought it was sarcasm lol. But yeah, it's def a good bitrate for most tracks. Sometimes i got for 160 if i'm using lossy codecs just in case, but 128kbps OPUS is really good.

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klogg4 t1_iy99npt wrote

I use 256 kbps with Opus for robustness against all possible artifacts (heard some at 192kbps and even 224kbps). But if you ask me, 128kbps is the best bitrate for Opus in terms of efficiency. ALMOST transparent, yet files are super small.

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uzimyspecial t1_iy9tkdi wrote

kinda makes me wish podcasts and audiobooks were encoded with OPUS instead of MP3. Usually they're mp3 and somewhere between 64 and 128kbps. Might sound weird but the artifacting bothers me even for vocal content. You could probably get both better quality and small file sizes if they used opus at say 64kbps. but i guess it doesn't make sense for compatibility reasons.

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EducationalCreme9044 t1_iyf476h wrote

I mean in this day and age where you can buy a 1TB SSD for spare change, do small sizes matter that much?

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WhiskeyGnomes t1_iya47py wrote

I mean just saying 90% of tracks, it means nothing. To one's personal ears it means nothing. What you are saying is that YOU and a designated group of people cannot tell the difference. That's all it means. You guys are convincing yourselves that 128 Opus is transparent, when it isn't. You shouldn't use that word. Because it means nothing without the user and gear in question.

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shavitush t1_iycc27w wrote

i agree. and youtube music (with premium) on compatible devices does 256kbps

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klogg4 t1_iy92cjc wrote

Youtube does volume normalization through the web player and through their mobile apps. It is not applied to music during encoding.

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trans__penguin t1_iy9v10c wrote

idk if youtube does some other fucky stuff to audio besides opus, but there is no way youtube is even close to transparent. I immediately notice the difference when listening on youtube and i dont think im a particularly discerning person

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klogg4 t1_iybk9l5 wrote

Only volume normalization through the player. If you use youtube-dl to download Opus stream, you get completely unprocessed audio.

Now it's up to you to decide if a change in digital volume degrades quality for you or not :)

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