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iWazzmatazz t1_ivk0h7g wrote
I think it's going to be either Chu or Quarks with Type-C on the other end instead of a 3.5mm.
----_________------ OP t1_ivk1c4o wrote
I dont think so. They explicitly mention DSP, which leads me to believe they will at the very least include an app with basic EQ.
If it is just a simple usb c version of either, then that would be the most underwhelming release in a while.
Bad_at_names_701 t1_ivk1v0y wrote
Interesting. Tuning is usually not an issue with Moondrop products, right?
LyKosa91 t1_ivk21h3 wrote
Well it being a type C version would mean that it has its own DAC, allowing them to DSP correct to whatever FR they want. I'd have thought they'd do an app for EQ support, the question is which of their existing models are they going to base it on?
Edit: come to think of it, the more likely and logical product would be a 2 pin USB C cable (plus an app with EQ functionality).
----_________------ OP t1_ivk2558 wrote
Mostly a non issue, but DSP allows for more options and fancy audio tricks/gimmicks.
Most basic would be EQ, but it can also involve crossfeed, surround virtualization, etc
----_________------ OP t1_ivk2hyt wrote
Chu or Quarks would make the most sense with the non-detachable cable, but it could be something completely different too
LyKosa91 t1_ivk2yot wrote
Just edited my post, but IMO the most sensible option would be a 2 pin USB C cable, allowing wider use of pretty much their entire range.
iWazzmatazz t1_ivk46nh wrote
I suppose there are 3rd party solutions even Dunu has a full adapter swap system. Since its Moondrop's first attempt (with Type-C connector) I don't think they want to cannibalise by giving a generic 2-pin connector with Type-C. But I hope we do get to see that one day.
----_________------ OP t1_ivk4f7f wrote
Their twitter post says earphones, so im assuming its a separate product.
A standalone DSP cable would be incredible tho
LyKosa91 t1_ivk691a wrote
In just thinking in terms of potential sales volume. Logically they'd stand to make a lot more money off of a near universal cable with parametric EQ functionality than they would from a single IEM, since it could appeal to people running anything from low end to top tier IEMs (and not exclusively moondrop's own models either).
They could offer just the cable on its own, as well paired with an IEM (or even multiple IEMs across the price range). Looking at it that way it seems like the smart business decision to me, as it would minimise manufacturing costs and maximise potential sales. Whether they go this route remains to be seen.
tymrhofmann t1_ivk9na8 wrote
Dsp? So digital signal input to earphones?
----_________------ OP t1_ivk9z56 wrote
Digital signal processing, so anything changing the digital signal before the DAC. This includes anything from EQ to crossfeed, room virtualization, compressor, etc
SteakTree t1_ivka2hq wrote
Interesting. Perhaps a standalone portable dac/amp that has a range of preset equalization curves that can adapt to any Moondrop product. Would be great if they included some 2-channel spatial DSP simulating different room spaces and speaker types.
Similar to Audeze Reveal except a hardware dongle.
tymrhofmann t1_ivkahbp wrote
Right but what I'm saying is it's not a analog signal 3.5se input into these is my guess? Strictly digital feed and the cans do the witchcraft?
----_________------ OP t1_ivkbzf7 wrote
Not sure if they do the witchcraft in the earphones or they'll use a small chip on the cable that does the bulk of the work (dsp to dac to analog signal to earphone)
commandermik t1_ivkeg1e wrote
It would make sense to put the DAC and amp into the USB-C side of a cable, apple style, and output to an analogue 2 pin connector on the earphone side and let users plug whichever moondrop IEM they want.
----_________------ OP t1_ivket8t wrote
That is the most logical, but the wording in their twitter post makes me think is a separate earphone. I hope im wrong
1234VICE t1_ivkm2j2 wrote
Unless the dsp is specifically tuned or there is anc
kazuviking t1_ivkm4bq wrote
Could be like the apple headphone.
subhanepix t1_ivkzk3n wrote
does moondrop have experience in this sort of field? i guess there’s enough competitors to copy off of, they could always just make a cheaper version of someone else’s
AverageElaMain t1_ivlfwm2 wrote
This is... weird. I read it and I think, "so a portable dac/amp?". Then I remember moondrop makes TWS, so I think, "so a flagship TWS with an app for EQ and maybe anc?". Then op says a wired earphone, so i think "Wtf?".
Sarin10 t1_ivlutp5 wrote
You're mixing up dsp with dac/amps
AverageElaMain t1_ivlzqqd wrote
A dac can have DSP.
oratory1990 t1_ivm5r79 wrote
> does moondrop have experience in this sort of field?
These things are easily (and commonly) outsourced.
oratory1990 t1_ivm5w0f wrote
> Well it being a type C version would mean that it has its own DAC, allowing them to DSP correct to whatever FR they want.
a DAC doesn't necessarily have DSP capability. You would need a dedicated IC for that.
Ancient-Common-9913 t1_ivm6qvt wrote
Hopefully something like KSE1500
subhanepix t1_ivm7vlj wrote
oh cool i use ur eq preset, and yeah i kinda assumed that’d be the case. it’d be cool if they made something new tho
Sarin10 t1_ivm8uim wrote
you said
>"so a portable dac/amp?
which isn't implied anywhere, unless you mixed up dsp with dacs.
LyKosa91 t1_ivmabiq wrote
True, but I think it's fair to assume that it is a feature here, what with it being the headline and all.
AverageElaMain t1_ivmbndf wrote
A dac amp has a dac in it. A dac can have dsp. Why are u arguing with me?
Hyxdite t1_ivmeivp wrote
from where?
oratory1990 t1_ivmu33h wrote
to companies that specialise on that aspect of product design.
oratory1990 t1_ivmuaad wrote
ah my bad, I misinterpreted your comment to mean "it has a DAC, so it can use DSP".
But what you said was that since the USB-C connection can be digital, this allows to put digital devices (like a DSP) in between the USB connector and the analog connection to the headphone.
Which is correct of course.
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Hyxdite t1_ivo2vq9 wrote
yeah i get that,but im not really familiar on which companies that specialise on DSP
manual_combat t1_ivofpz3 wrote
There are hundreds. Not all.of them focus on wearables. There are also hardware vs software DSP. Use Google and you'll find a ton. Cirrus audio, adi, dspconcepts, Sony, ess, the list goes on...
Hyxdite t1_ivoi4u6 wrote
thanks,in that case it would be interesting to know which will be in the moondrop's
oratory1990 t1_ivr1ao5 wrote
In the Bay Area you can find companies like that within walking distance regardless where you are.
Hyxdite t1_ivrxbu9 wrote
i see,thanks for this
----_________------ OP t1_ivjz4op wrote
Seems like Moondrop just announced a new DSP wired earphone. Yes, wired. Quite interesting, if any asian forum members have more details, do post them!