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SupOrSalad t1_j6ev6k0 wrote

First of all... do you mean the entire Harman curve. Or just the bass shelf?

The Harman curve is more focused on the mids, which is why headphones like the Sennheiser HD600 are considered as close to the Harman curve, despite having a lot of bass roll off.

Harman isn't just about the bass, and even the Harman research says to adjust bass and treble to your preference.

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ShepherdessAnne OP t1_j6evhrn wrote

The whole thing.

But especially the treble roll-off.

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SupOrSalad t1_j6evqq8 wrote

So you're looking for something with less mids and more treble?

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ShepherdessAnne OP t1_j6ey8kj wrote

Flat. I want it flat. +/-3db. Flat.

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pinkcunt123 t1_j6ezrsq wrote

You mean flat raw? Like a straight line without any compensation?

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ShepherdessAnne OP t1_j6f1dn1 wrote

Not quite. I'd like compensation as long as it makes it as close to flat as possible in the ear, not "pleasing".

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BionicSammich t1_j6fmhmj wrote

I don't think there is such a thing. The only way to find this out is to basically un-compensate graphs and revert them to raw.

You could get yourself some test equipment and just purely measure the dB across a sine sweep on various headphones until you find one with no dips or peaks anywhere, but I doubt you'd find any set thats truly flat.

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Pigeon_Chess t1_j6eybae wrote

The Harman curve is literally bass boosted and is a V shape

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SupOrSalad t1_j6ezraw wrote

I wouldn't really call it v shaped. More of a downward tilt with an optional bass shelf.

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Pigeon_Chess t1_j6f09ao wrote

It’s a target curve, nothing is optional. It has boosted bass. It it nowhere near flat and the HD600 is nowhere near the Harman target

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SupOrSalad t1_j6f1eqv wrote

The Harman research says to adjust bass to your liking. The bass shelf was originally there because that's what room acoustics do when you take flat speakers and put them in a normal room, which was the basis for the target. From that there was some adjustments based on different user groups for the amount of bass, and the current shelf is what 60% of listeners preferred, but the research also says that more "trained listeners" prefer less bass, and again you are supposed to adjust that to your preference.

People hyper focus on the bass, but the upper mids and treble is a big part of the Harman target. If you put the HD600 response on the Harman target and compensate it to the target, the HD600 looks very consistent with the target above the bass.

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Pigeon_Chess t1_j6f1ids wrote

That not the target though is it? That’s them telling you to EQ because their target is a bag of shit.

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