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TagalogON t1_j5ttlgw wrote

TL;DR: AptX Adaptive (AptX Low Latency is replaced by AptX Adaptive) is what's easily available right now, wait for AptX Lossless or LC3 tech in 2024, lol.

Right now for mics, you can't really have good mic and low latency. Or even mic and high sound quality. It's just how the current Bluetooth system works everywhere.

Though now we actually have Bluetooth 5.3 and like LC3 tech stuff that promises/markets better microphones and latency altogether and so on.

Like Qualcomm just released the QCC5171 chipsets, I've seen some people they'll wait with QCC5181 chipsets because of all the LC3 tech or like AptX Lossless and so on stuff going on.

See this thread for AptX Adaptive dongles like KB9P and other Bluetooth related stuff like AptX Lossless, LC3 tech, et cetera: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/aptx-adaptive-aptx-lossless-usb-transmitters.961856/page-64


Or fml, I was recently accused of being a shill. Well, fans can shill especially when they post a lot like me as people will see it as stealth marketing/astroturfing/etc. if they are also always in every thread.

But I promise you, the following is not paid or otherwise from Qudelix, etc. I am just a regular person, not getting paid or anything by the audio people, I'm just trying to give back to the community. It's really repetitive, don't recommend doing it, lmao.

With that unnecessary disclaimer out of the way, look into the Qudelix 5K. LOL. It has microphone stuff with it.

Here's a more direct list of Qudelix 5K features that ReaLx3m recently wrote: https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/zxd1dt/25mm_louder_than_35mm_feel_like_ive_just_been/j221re0/

But yes for latency or PC use, here's some more similar info on TWS earbuds and the UTWS3/5 TWS adapters: https://www.reddit.com/r/HeadphoneAdvice/comments/10g79j5/looking_for_low_latency_portable_bluetooth_ampdac/j542qp3/

The above direct reddit thread also talks about the Qudelix 5K, but here I'll post it again.

For the Qudelix 5K, with the v2.0 update, this is what Qudelix 5K had to say about latency:

> Optimized Bluetooth Audio Latency > > The new firmware offers considerably lower Bluetooth latency for all codecs than the previous firmware. Qudelix-5K doesn't support aptX-LL, but we're sure the 5K would deliver the industry's lowest audio latency over Bluetooth across all codecs.


In theory any device you pair the Qudelix 5K with will have the parametric EQ still applied. There's also the various preset parametric EQs already available, just manually adjust according to your taste. Like you'll probably want to fine-tune a bit the AutoEQ values.

Qudelix is making a gaming/7.1/etc. device called Qudelix T71, so no successor to the Qudelix 5K for maybe 2023 or 2024: https://forum.qudelix.com/post/qudelixt71-12037543?pid=1334122761

The Qudelix 5K has no competition for value and features. They recently released the v2.0 update, it's just unparalleled software achievement: https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/zsjmng/qudelix_5k_v20_update_released/

Here's a bit more info/resources/etc. about the Qudelix 5K Bluetooth amp/DAC dongle as it's often out of stock these days: https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/zgk4s8/equalizer_apo_doesnt_for_me_best_alternative/izhf43z/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/zsjmng/qudelix_5k_v20_update_released/j18t8qo/

This thread link talks about the Qudelix 5K, AptX Adaptive dongles, and specifically Apple devices: https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/zc1znn/qudelix_5k_arent_these_issues_a_big_issue/iyuh35j/


I don't know if that new claim about best latency is decent enough for gaming (haven't had time to confirm), I don't use my Qudelix 5K that much outside of when I get new headphones or IEMs and test stuff. Or when I want to EQ with non-Windows PC devices.

Anyway, don't expect much as yes, you need a dedicated gaming/low latency mode most of the time outside of devices like the Qudelix 5K that have a lot of software and so on labor poured into them.

So for TWS earbuds/Bluetooth headphones, you'll probably want to instead use 2.4GHz headphones/headsets but those 2.4GHz headsets are not really well-reviewed for sound quality. So it's just trade-offs.


But yes there's now things like the new Soundcore VR P10 TWS earbuds for LC3 tech stuff, Kenneth Tanaka's (he focuses a lot on latency for TWS earbuds) video on them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfX40jgy3Bg

I personally just game with my FiiO UTWS5. This is mainly for casual games, not competitive/ranked/etc. games. Like sometimes you can forget the lipsync delay is there. But if you're serious then you have to use wired as Bluetooth technology just isn't there yet.

Maybe when devices start releasing more LC3 tech stuff. That's probably in 2024 though, so save up money for that now as it'll be initially on the expensive gadgets, maybe. It's supposed to be a new standard though, so it'll probably be more easily accessible than other Bluetooth codecs before.


FiiO also has its new FW5 TWS earbuds, which is like the UTWS5 internals but with actual TWS earbuds stuff (no ANC though).

More info on the FW5 in relation to the UTWS5/future UTWS7/etc. and LC3, like Bluetooth latency stuff: https://www.reddit.com/r/HeadphoneAdvice/comments/z5pfj4/tws_iem_conversion_thingies/j2ps3qy/

Here's more info on TWS adapters like the FiiO UTWS3/5, KZ AZ09 Pro, etc. alongside adapters/converters, AptX Adaptive dongles (KB9P, YET-T10P, etc.), and so on needed for them: https://www.reddit.com/r/HeadphoneAdvice/comments/10hfuxn/wireless_earbuds_for_gaming_with_plugin_to/j58i33j/

Make sure you get the MMCX version of the UTWS3/5, here's more info about why (it's mainly due to IEMs that have recessed 2-pin ports, like the popular Moondrop lineup, etc.): https://www.reddit.com/r/HeadphoneAdvice/comments/v3hs92/iems_help_need_a_new_pair/iaz200a/

If you're using the UTWS3 outside with your phone, you should be good, otherwise for PC, there could be connection issues.

Here's a bit of context on Bluetooth pairing/connection/battery drain issues with the UTWS3/5: https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/vjwq2p/never_thought_my_endgame_would_be_wireless_glad_i/idn2t9u/

Here's more (direct) updated info about the AptX Adaptive USB transmitter dongles (KB8P, KB9P, YET-T10P): https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/zr41fe/which_lossy_codec_to_use_compress_with_before/j12cdwt/


Just a disclaimer again, for the UTWS5, people don't like the microphones with that. And for me I don't use Bluetooth mics at all as I've had a standalone microphone setup for several years now. Though they're often just not that good, you'll want stem style TWS earbuds (like AirPods) if you want good Bluetooth microphone quality but yes don't expect much still.

Here's a bit more (same) info on gaming headset and headphones, especially for microphone setup or options and like noise suppression/et cetera: https://www.reddit.com/r/HeadphoneAdvice/comments/zvjj2y/do_not_buy_from_razer/j1psvlh/

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TagalogON t1_j5twah5 wrote

For AptX Adaptive it's pretty good, likely drains less battery than say using LDAC, LHDC, et cetera. At lowest volumes possible I normally get 6-7 hours with regular AptX. With AptX Adaptive it has say 30 minutes or 1 hour less, so that's the battery life, which is my main concern as I often use Bluetooth stuff nonstop (don't be like me and forget to take breaks, always let your ears breath every 30 minutes or 1 hour) for several hours, as in until the battery dies.

For sound quality, don't worry too much about it. Most of the time I use 16-bit and 24-bit FLACs and it's all good with AptX Adaptive and so on. It's just inherent Bluetooth limitations and so we have to accept it.

For the microphone quality, it depends on how the TWS earbuds or Bluetooth headphones company implemented the cVc 8.0 and other mic tech stuff. It's kinda variable and hard to say but yes don't really expect much with Bluetooth mics, better to get standalone mics if you want good results.

Because tbh, it's all serviceable microphone quality when it comes to integrated mics on wired IEM cables and these wireless TWS earbuds, it's just that sometimes people want more or like say you have background noise muffling everything, so search up noise suppression and all that.

Check out EposVox's Youtube channel for those mic/gaming/OBS/etc. stuff. Or actually Podcastage/etc. for more up to date microphone info.

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