Submitted by IUseFop t3_10omr9x in headphones

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After 9 months with the HD6XX, I decided to shoot for endgame. I read and watched a ton of reviews (which I found entertaining & oddly soothing). I learned how to EQ (using eqMac). I tested a bunch of headphones and learned (a bit) about the excitement surrounding them. I'm no expert, and I'm probably using my descriptor words wrong. I'm just a dude who likes music. That said, here's my headphone journey, organized by current price:

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Sennheiser HD6XX - $239 (I own these)

I always enjoyed these. The clamp is tight — and it never quite loosed for me. I occasionally get a hot spot on my head, but I still consider these comfortable. I now understand (and appreciate) "the Sennheiser mids" everyone gushes about. These are wonderful for vocals and acoustics. Given the intimacy, I was always curious about wider sound staging. As much as I love these, I knew from Day 1 I'd upgrade eventually. (I now use these in the kitchen working on puzzles with the Apple dongle).

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beyerdynamic DT 1990 Pro - $469

Gorgeous looking. Great build quality. I love holding and looking at these. Strong clamp. Swapping pads was a must. These are so reminiscent to the HD6XX sound — but better in many ways. I find the treble/sibilance to be a bit harsh (I'm treble-sensitive). Toning it down in EQ, these remind me of a more clarified, dynamic, and stronger bass'd HD6XX. For fans of that sound signature wanting more detail, a wider soundstage, and thumping dynamics, these are a logical upgrade. What an excellent pair of headphones — and yes, a good deal at $469. To me, EQ'ing (to tone down the treble/highs) was necessary.

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Hifiman XS - $499

On first (and third and fourth) impression, these were my keepers. What a fantastic pair of headphones. They're more comfortable than the 1990s. (FYI to people with small-to-normal-sized-heads: I have a big ass head, and I didn't need to extend the bands on these at all). The imaging, soundstage, bass, and dynamics are all superior to the 1990s (apparently I prefer planar magnetic > dynamic). All the Hifiman headphones I tested (XS, Arya V2, & Stealth) had a slight harshness in the highs that I toned down with minor EQ'ing (a few dBs lower in the 8-9-10 bands). The XS has the most harshness of the three. The XS is also a touch warm. These are wonderful for soundtracks, classical, hip-hop, house, etc. For weaknesses, vocals and acoustics just sound a little harsh and digitized. I contort my face a little when listening to vocals (male and female), acoustic guitars, and highs — even with EQ. There's something a little unrefined about these. That said, for $499, I strongly considered keeping these instead of the others. They're a damn steal. For people who love orchestral music, soundtracks, house, hip-hop, etc — jump at these. To me, they just aren't all-rounders. The B-stocks are on sale at Hifiman website for $399. If that's in anyone's budget, go for it. You won't be disappointed.

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Hifiman Arya V2 - $1099 (Open box)

Wonderfully comfortable and light. More comfortable than the XS (especially for longer durations). Night and day compared to the HD6XX. These headphones ruined my perception of what headphones could be. Detailed, gorgeous, wide soundstage, rich, with a slight tinge of warmth/darkness (but welcomed). Coming from the HD6XX, I laughed and cried with joy listening to my favorite songs on these. Difficult to power. The build doesn't feel as good as the 1990s, LCD-X, or Sennheisers. My band has a slight creak when I twist the ear cups, and I'm annoyed I have to use WD-40 on $1000 headphones. Still, when I listen to these, they make me stop what I'm doing. It's hard to quantify that. These are the best headphones I've ever listened to.

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LCD-X - $1099

Gorgeous to hold and behold. Heavy. Wonderful to listen to. Slightly warm and bassy out of the box. The detail retrieval, dynamics, and bass (THUMP) are all "whoa." I have a lot of fun finding new songs to throw at these. The soundstage is good, though not as wide as the Arya(s) - or even XS - but wide enough. I have to EQ these — and I feel overwhelmed by all the options; "What are the perfect EQ settings for me?" Still, while I enjoy listening to these, they're heavy. I feel it in my neck. If I was someone who primarily listened to music while laying down, these would've been in contention as a finalist. But I know they're too heavy for me, and I don't feel the desire to "get used to them." If you're someone who likes dynamics, bass, imaging, details, and THUMP, these are an excellent set of cans. Made in 'merica, too. Glad I gave them a chance; I'd always be curious.

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Hifiman Arya Stealth (V3) - $1299

Before trying, these were the ones I wanted to like the most. They're an excellent pair of headphones. I loved the XS, but these are clearly better. They're grand and effortless. They're like the V2s (obviously), but more dynamic, detailed, and slightly more intimate. The "wider than average" soundstage is there, but the detail separation brings the focus closer (compared to the V2s). These feel more refined than the V2s. They're easier to drive; I wouldn't need to upgrade my amp. The V2s feel like the music comes from a slightly more distant, dark, and ethereal veil. The V3s feel a little clearer, but there's something mysterious and seductive about the (comparatively) veiled messiness of the V2s. The V2s invite me to pay attention; the V3s almost force me to pay attention. I find the latter a bit fatiguing. Comparing the V3s to the V2s is such a bizarre, nearly impossible experience. They're so close. The V3s are grand as hell, but the contrarian in me is disappointed that I agree with other reviewers — that there's something slightly more musically enjoyable about the V2s, even if they lack the technical clarity (and extra thump) of the V3 Stealth.

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Sennheiser HD800s - $1599

Besides the LCD-X and 1990 Pros, these are the most physically impressive headphones. Seeing images of these online, I never got a sense of their build quality. But feeling them in my hands, they're sturdy and very good looking. The pads don't seem flimsy; there's thoughtfulness here. These are the most comfortable headphones I tested — more comfortable than the Aryas (and more breathable). I've always been interested in what the best sound staging headphones sound like — and holy hell these are wide. In so many ways, they remind me of the HD6XX, but elevated in every sense — better imaging, more detail, more grandness, and more sparkle, without being fatiguing in the highs. As a treble-sensitive person, I wouldn't need to EQ these at all. Shit, they're beautiful — especially with soundtracks. I feel like they're unfairly criticized for their bass performance. Yes, every headphone above is better bass-wise (except the HD6XX and maybe the 1990s), but these are still good. Compared to the Aryas, the bass on the HD800s feel less grand. The bass on the XS/Aryas feels more imposing — in a good, welcomed, and impressive way. The bass on the HD800s feels like a supportive character — a little less fun. These are the most expensive headphones I tested. Listening to soundtracks on these is *very* impressive. But listening to soundtracks on the XS (at $1100 cheaper) is also impressive. Personally, I can't justify the cost difference. People who can, I envy you.

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In the End

After testing all these, I took a break and went back to the HD6XX. My brain got used to them, and I grew to appreciate them again. I forgot how amazing the Arya V2s were, and I wondered if the Arya's exuberant price was justified. Ultimately, when listening to them again, I decided to keep the Arya. (For those who decide not to upgrade, I get it; I was torn). To me, they're just too buttery, clear, and gorgeous. They heighten music in ways I never knew was possible. I could always sell them in the future if I want. Ultimately, I would've been happy with any of the headphones above, but the Arya V2s sang to me in ways I liked most.

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[I tested all these on the JDS Labs Atom+ Amp & DAC on low gain. I EQ'd with eqMac - just a few dBs down on the highs and a couple dBs up on the 2 and 6 bands. I tried the oratory1990 EQ settings, but decided I preferred the airiness of the house sound a little more. I see people online encouraging an amp upgrade for the Arya V2, but I'm in no rush; the Atom+ gives me enough power now (even on low gain — tho just barely)].

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TLDR: After starting this expensive hobby with the HD6XX, I tested a butt ton of headphones and decided I liked the Hifiman Arya V2 the best.

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shadowpapi9890 t1_j6frkcm wrote

Today I put my hd650 on again and I’m Just glad I never sold them and never will. They really are special and i own aeon flow open and lcd x.

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IUseFop OP t1_j6g5whh wrote

Yeah, I still love my HD6XXs too. I’ll never sell them. I almost didn’t upgrade at all because there’s really no need. With the Apple dongle, they’re my “walk around the apartment” headphone now. Apparently I need music blaring through my ears at all hours.

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InFortunaWeLust t1_j6hbsip wrote

I was thinking of selling my HD58X but don't think its worth the hassle. Gonna convert them to bluetooth wireless sometime instead as a little project for when Im cleaning up the house got some beats to listen to wirelessly.

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de_rats_2004_crzy t1_j6focc8 wrote

Really cool you got to try all of them! I’m surprised you didn’t try a Clear though? If you ever for a moment think you’re getting tired/bored of Arya, buy yourself a Clear but also keep Arya. These two headphones complement each other so well. I think I could forever bounce between them and never want anything new.

I still use HD650s as my “every day” headphone that’s attached to my PC. That’s where I take my zoom calls & game etc. I’ve had them for over 10 years!

But Arya and Clear are my “it’s time to really enjoy music” headphones.

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IUseFop OP t1_j6g5fgh wrote

Yeah, I’ve been really curious about the Clear. I’ve never heard it. I’ve read & seen a bunch of reviews that describe it as more of an intimate headphone tho. Since I was looking for something wider (and different from the 6XX), I didn’t even try it. I know people love it tho - and I’d love to try it.

My goal is to stop spending money in this hobby. We’ll see if that ever happens, haha.

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KawaiifuWorks t1_j6h1s8m wrote

If you wanted different, then I’d say you made a better choice. To me, the OG Clears are an HD6XX on steroids. It just takes everything and does it a lot better.

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IUseFop OP t1_j6kf26r wrote

That description alone makes me want to try them. They almost sound like the HD800s with less sound stage.

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KawaiifuWorks t1_j6llf66 wrote

I can't compare to the HD800s but I'd say the OG Clears just are HD6XX but better. I wouldn't call it different in really any way either. No trade offs in any way except price. Bass was the most noticeable improvement.

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Dust-by-Monday t1_j6gitkr wrote

HD 660s are my end game

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IUseFop OP t1_j6kf7eu wrote

Never tried the HD660s. I'm curious to hear how they compare to my HD6XXs. I hear they're higher on treble, so my ears might be happy with the HD6XX.

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Dust-by-Monday t1_j6kxw7u wrote

I don’t find the 660s to be very bright. They have this thick and rich sound without bloat or lacking in detail.

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humbuckaroo t1_j6gquuo wrote

I have 660S and recently tried some Bayers to see if they have the bass I want for more thumpy electronic/pop music because of course that's what the HD6 series lacks. I landed on the lower end 770 Pros (I got the black Limited ones) and I have to say I'm quite happy. They're well tuned despite being a bit more recessed in the mids, and I can deal with the high treble when it's in those electronic genres because it's not overbearing there. So now I have closed backs with more thump and treble for electronic, rap and pop and my HD660S for guitar driven music like metal and rock. I'm good with this setup, and I think having the two pairs gives me a lot more precision than having just one endgame set. But we'll see, as these things never seem to stay stable for long.

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IUseFop OP t1_j6kfj0i wrote

I'm curious about the 770 Pros (since they get a lot of love on this sub). But as someone who's treble sensitive, I'm thinking I should hold off on beyerdynamic cans. I really dug the 1990 Pros (and wanted them to be my keepers, considering the value), but my ears wanted something more mellow.

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humbuckaroo t1_j6klj6d wrote

Yeah these are treble heavy and sibbilant as well, so definitely don't get them if this bothers you.

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Total_Juggernaut_450 t1_j6gfvqv wrote

Awesome.

There is a reason the Sennheiser HD6XX, HD600, and HD650 remain studio reference headphones.

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Anthlenv t1_j6gbcvb wrote

The only ones I like more than my 6XX is the Focal Clear OG. The 6XX are such a good deal.

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KawaiifuWorks t1_j6h1pak wrote

I’m in the same boat. OG Clears felt like a perfect upgrade across every aspect. Now I’m looking at Utopias and my curiosity is growing.

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IUseFop OP t1_j6kfy2y wrote

I agree - especially because Drop puts them on sale now and then. (I think I got my HD6XXs for $179, which is outrageous). That Focal Clear deal on Headphones.com ($890) is tempting as well, but I avoided because it's "Final Sale." With tax, it's not far off from the Arya V2 on Hifiman's website ($1099 open box, which doesn't charge tax).

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verifitting t1_j6hbrfv wrote

> I now use these in the kitchen working on puzzles with the Apple dongle

Apple dong 💪

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GX460-VOX t1_j6i4zwp wrote

Focal Clear OG for $890 on Headphones.Com are a steal.

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IUseFop OP t1_j6g7eyf wrote

The 6X0 is end game for sure. I get it. I don’t know much about the RME ADI-2. You can do your EQ’ing on it? Sounds dope. And looking at the price tag, sounds like I should stay away from it.

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InFortunaWeLust t1_j6hbnm9 wrote

I got the same impressions from HD600 to HD800, i feel like they are just direct upgrade in the same sound style (fatigueless clarity). but alot of people wont see it like that i think lol

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IUseFop OP t1_j6kgf0w wrote

I give serious props to Sennheiser for their consistency. They have a sound signature they like, and they give variations on it. As much as I loved the HD800s, the imaging on planar magnetics gives a different kind of "whoa factor." The sound stage on the 800s is its own beast though -- and I wonder what headphones could compare to it around that price range.

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InFortunaWeLust t1_j6nug3i wrote

I've always seen people say HD-800s are the closest to planars you can get with a dynamic driver headphone. I tried a few Planars (not many) and I can agree. It made me appreciate the HD-800 (in my case HD-8XX) even more though since the HD-800S offer more a more dynamic sound than planars while still being super clear and accurate. + around the skull sound stage ofcourse.

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ratatat t1_j6ixhp4 wrote

Amazing you went on a ~$6k headphone journey to end back at the $240 6XX.

Truly appreciate this OP as someone who just got into this hobby and has only tried 660S (kept) & Sundaras (returned). Confirming my plan to keep these puppies for a while and maybe, just maybe, move up to the Edition XS / Arya one day if I want another planar.

One other note since you implied you're a Mac user - SoundSource is amazing for EQing. Comes prebuilt with a ton of EQ profiles (crinacle & oratory1990 for example) that you can just click into and instantly apply with no extra work. Pretty nifty for A/Bing different EQ settings.

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IUseFop OP t1_j6kgyn7 wrote

I re-read my post and realized I was a bit unclear in the end. I did go back to the HD6XX, but I decided to keep the Arya V2s as well. That said, for people who decide not to upgrade at all, I learned (from this $6000 journey) that decision is totally justified. We get used to whatever headphones we have -- and the HD6X0s offer more than enough to appreciate.

I'll give SoundSource a try -- thanks for the tip. It is a bit frustrating to have to input everything manually in eqMac...

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Cyberspace242 t1_j6pih5x wrote

Excellent write up. I am so pained right now in trying to decide between Arya V2 and V3. I read info like this post and become more undecided. I was all set on getting V3s but there seems to be segment of listeners that swear by the V2s. So conflicted and don’t know what to do ☹️

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Ezees t1_j6j5y6i wrote

Great writeup. If you think the Aryas sound good right now with the entry-level Atom setup - just wait till you try them with a discrete Class A balanced amp, then they'll really come alive (no EQ needed).

Nearly all of the IC-based amps like the Atom, Heresy, A90, and THX '789 lack the natural timbre, tonality, soundstage depth, bass punch/dynamics, and texture that most discrete Class A amps portray excellently.

Plus, that treble harshness that you highlighted is mostly the result of pairing the very revealing and tonality challenged Aryas with IC-based amps - most people who have done the same report IC-based amps with the Arya as being harsh-ish. That isn't really a thing when the Arya is paired with Class A or Class AB discretes - these amps don't display that treble hardness nearly as much.

I found this out after I compared the A90, Monolith '887, and Schiit Magnius side by side with my Schiit Magni 3+, Emotiva A-100, and the Class A Gustard H20. The cheaper Class AB amps were better than the more expensive IC-based amps, while the Class A H20 dusted them all - no EQ needed. Discrete Class A and Arya, FTW......

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IUseFop OP t1_j6ki6i3 wrote

This is something I'm curious about, and I've struggled to find explanations I can understand. What is it about discrete Class A balanced amps that makes Aryas sound better?

I know balanced cables prevent possible interference, but do discrete Class A amps deliver more voltage/current (thus more power) to headphones? And do the differences in voltage/current affect the sound? (If so, how?). I've only tried my entry-level Atom setup, so I can't speak from experience. I've read/heard people recommending an amp upgrade with the Aryas, but from a physics/engineering perspective I don't know why (other than "it sounds better.")

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Ezees t1_j6kud3m wrote

>What is it about discrete Class A balanced amps that makes Aryas sound better?

Generally speaking....

Discrete amp topology: is generally more adept at passing spatial information in the music as compared to IC based amps - ie: HxWxD and positional information. They're also better with revealing trailing edges and minute nuances in music/vocals/instrumentation too. IC/THX-based amps tend to sound sort of unnatural, by not reveal spatial info as well as - especially soundstage depth - as well as "cut-off" trailing edges/nuances whose details make music sound much more natural and "real".

Class A bias/topology: Most amps are Class AB - meaning that one transistor may drive the " + " part of the musical waveform, while another may drive the " - " part of it. In between + and - , neither will be 100% accurate when they pass off the signal to the other. What this is called is "crossover distortion" - when there will be a distortion of the waveform as the signal goes from pos to neg and back again, and this is a major part of an amp's treble harshness. Class A amps don't have any crossover distortion whatsoever. They have their output transistors handle the whole waveform - they stay "always on" through the whole waveform up until the amp is turned off. As a result, they're smoother in the treble and midrange than most Class AB amps - unless the AB amps are biased deep into Class A. Another benefit of Class A "always on" operation, is that they pass along more current into the load (ie: the HP or speaker) - which accounts for their deeper, punchier, and more dynamic bass capabilities.

Balanced operation: Balanced amps simply offer more power for the same voltage. Plus, they'll be more resistant to noise across the board - as well as being resistant to EMI, RFI, and may also have better apparent stereo separation.

Sorry for the long post, but you can do some more reading on each italicized topic. I really couldn't make the connection that amps made any difference as long as they were powerful enough. That is, until I actually tried out several IC based amps and compared them with my cheaper discrete Class AB amps - then, the differences were really obvious. Then I found a used Class A amp for a reasonable price (Gustard H20), and I was floored - the bass was sooo deep, punchy, and dynamic - while the treble and mids were uber-natural and smooth. Of course it took me getting the revealing Arya before I even thought about trying out different amps. Hope this helps.....

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