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Norville84 t1_j5w5fnp wrote

Is this sub sponsored by Sennheiser? This is like the millionth post about HD6X0-series and frankly it's getting a bit too much. I'm sure I will get downvoted by all the Sennheiser fanboys, but I don't mind that. I get why people like those cans but there are so many other headphones out there that are equally good if not better.

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VonNummenberg t1_j5w6o6j wrote

Its because its so easy to go to any tech store and buy sennheisers instead of having to either go long ways to a specialized audio store or buy online

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ratatat t1_j5wkyhi wrote

For me it is the fact that they have a long history of producing high quality reliable products. I baby my Sundaras in comparison because I do not have the same faith in a brand like Hifiman.

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PavelPivovarov t1_j5wx5m2 wrote

*Had. Sennheiser has sold their headphones division last year to some hearing aid company Sonova.

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ratatat t1_j5wyl96 wrote

Implying they no longer have that history? The company is still run by the Sennheiser family. They actually had this to say about Sonova at time of sale:

“A partner who not only shares our passion for audio and a commitment to the highest product quality, but also very similar corporate values,” they write. “This is an excellent foundation for a successful future together.”

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PavelPivovarov t1_j5x0z4s wrote

Will see what the new Sennheiser headphones lineup will be. Their recent wireless offers was pretty meh. So I don't really trust in corporate bullshit statement they have released.

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Rare_Knee6343 t1_j5zcxxi wrote

Sorry. The Momentum 4 is an excellent sounding headphone. It is better than the wired HD600 for me. I do not feel there is any difference in wireless or wired sound at this point. Well done Sennheiser.

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xGuacamolly OP t1_j606p50 wrote

Sennheiser OG owns Neumann so the new NDH30 is from them

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xtel9 t1_j5z5t7p wrote

In fairness, it’s really hard to find any headphones that aren’t Bluetooth in an actual brick and mortar store these days

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PavelPivovarov t1_j5wwmx3 wrote

I agree, when I got my HD6XX they definitely didn't live up to their hype. They have amazingly good mids and accurate and natural tonal balance, which make them ideal headphones for playing human voices (like audio conference call, or listening to the talking heads on the Youtube), but for music listening especially if you are into something hardcore, like Grange, Garage, Anything-Metal, EDM or Rap, they are disappointing. For classical music I would also prefer something else. For $200 there are plenty of really good headphones like AKG K702, Grado SR225x, Beyerdynamics DT880Pro, or even HD560 to concentrate so much on HD6XX.

I am a drummer and while listening to my toones, I focus specifically on drums which are living in the corners of the spectrum - sub-bass (bass drum) and highs (cymbals of any kind) and HD6XX is delivering neither quantity, nor quality of those ranges.

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RB181 t1_j5xs5sl wrote

As a /r/symphonicmetal fan, I completely agree with this.

HD 6x0s are old headphones made for old music. Said music genre was pretty much nonexistent at the time the HD 600 was released (as are many other modern genres that you mention), so it's obvious they weren't designed with that in mind. I prefer a number of newer and less expensive headphones.

I don't have a problem with people enjoying their 6x0s, I just want this kind of pretentious posts to stop.

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angelf2704 t1_j5wk1f0 wrote

Sennheiser offers pretty good comfort and a sound signature most people will enjoy. I had been a fan for the last 4 years but I wanted to try something different. Bought and returned the K240 Studio, great sound (for the money) but they lack a lot of bass extension to me. Today I got Philips X2HRs, first impressions are very positive. To me, the HD 600 line has a very unique midrange and soft treble. Everything else isn't that great compared to the competition IMO in the same price ratio. I get your frustration but most people first hifi headphones are usually Sennys.

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xtel9 t1_j5z5zrh wrote

Oh, you’ll never get that gonna be a set of decay series line of AKG’s those Philips headphones, bump

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Arisa_kokkoro t1_j5xdn5l wrote

yeah , but sennheiser , beyer, sony ,

these company is more popular than other brand.

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xtel9 t1_j5z5p58 wrote

Lol you'd almost think so - I’ll try to help. I think is a very good point of reference of a different company with a very different signature that somehow closely in the arena of what Sennheisers are often widely acclaimed characteristically - there’s a massive matching model of Beyerdynamic headphones that will offer a very interesting informative contrast in sound differences, which might reveal a preference for one over the other.

Interestingly somehow one can do this, and managed to hear quite a difference in character and sound presentation. Well, somehow still keeping the core characteristics of what people typically seek in the 600 series easily, in focus for very revealing and interesting comparison, but I think it’s worthwhile everybody tries they have the opportunity I found it quite revealing very revealing and interesting and comparison, I think it’s worthwhile to anyone to try if they have the opportunity - I found it quite revealing, and I was much more easily able to separate the individual characteristics a preferred in each

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rajmahid t1_j5wh359 wrote

8 out of 10 of my total downvotes are from Sennheiser HD6 series comments. It’s futile but often humorous swimming against a brainwashed tide of lemmings.

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AnOldMoth t1_j5w89z9 wrote

They aren't even that good. 650/6XX in particular have so many issues, it has decent mids and basically nothing else.

The fact that everyone calls them their endgame tells me that they either don't know any better, or don't care about anything other than timbre and mids. Which you can get them just as good in other headphones after EQ.

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206Red t1_j5wgrgc wrote

Tbf timbre matters a lot, especially if you need one headphone to listen for hours while working/studying. Also reliability is a thing, and hd 600 it's pretty good on that, just a great all-rounder with a inoffensive timbre

I'm not saying that they're endgame for everyone, at least it's not for me, I still want to risk a Focal Clear or an Hifiman Arya someday. But they can surely be an endgame or have its place in anyone's collection

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AnOldMoth t1_j5wpevj wrote

Timbre is a reflection of frequency response, though. Which can be changed.

And no, I'm not saying that frequency response is literally everything, but timbre is a property of instruments, and its essentially the properties of an instrument that make it sound like... well, itself.

So for good timbre to be correct, that means that the tonality of the headphone has to be accurate to your ears in that respect, which is, again, frequency response.

That's why I don't put much importance on a headphone's timbre, because if I have issues with that specific property of the headphone, I can just fix it with EQ.

With the 6XX, it has recessed treble (EQ thankfully helps), really muddy bass with no texture or definition (EQ hasn't helped this, have tried for a while), and all the frequencies smear together compared to other headphones because the driver is over-dampened. Yeah, the mids and timbre are good, but the rest of the sound suffers as a result. I'd rather just get a headphone without these issues, and tune the mids to be similar to the 650/6XX, so I can get its benefits and the rest of them as well.

That's why I disagree so heavily with the recommendation. It's way too expensive for what you get, there's better-sounding (I know, subjective, but at least in terms of the rest of the frequency range), options both more expensive and less expensive.

I still have my 6XX, right next to me. Sometimes I'll put them on, give them a listen to see if there's anything I'm actually missing about them, but all it ends up doing is make me appreciate how much better almost everything else is.

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xGuacamolly OP t1_j5wj2s3 wrote

I had the focal clear OG and the Arya Stealth, but hifiman is superior to my ears. Arya aren't necessarily endgame as hifiman release headphones none stop. So the upgrade/sidegrade is a normal thing. That's why i said hd600 is endgame. Since 1997 Sennheiser released 2 other models ( 650 & 660s ) in the 6 series. So i'm good for a long time with it.

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LTHardcase t1_j5wogut wrote

> Arya aren't necessarily endgame as hifiman release headphones none stop. So the upgrade/sidegrade is a normal thing. That's why i said hd600 is endgame. Since 1997 Sennheiser released 2 other models ( 650 & 660s ) in the 6 series. So i'm good for a long time with it.

This is a genuinely bizarre definition of endgame. New models alter your perception of your holding's value?

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xGuacamolly OP t1_j5wtgph wrote

It depends i prefer the 1997 model from Sennheiser, i tried every headphone from serie 6 to 8. Hated serie 8 open or closed. It's my endgame in Sennheiser actually, not in my audio life ;)

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206Red t1_j5wl8v3 wrote

These are two of headphones that I really have my eyes, maybe someday on the future. Definitely will keep my HD 660s for a long time too, as I just love their tonality :)

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nagisa_09 t1_j5wjygy wrote

Midrange and timbre are very important to me, which is why I pretty much enjoy the 600's sound more than other headphones I've tried. But I do listen to my K701's from time to time for something unique.

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AnOldMoth t1_j5wprko wrote

HD600 is a much, much better headphone than the 650/6XX. It's basically the same driver as the 650, except it isn't over-dampened. Its only real downside is the bass roll-off, but everything else about it IS good, and you can EQ the 'boring' parts of it to be more lively without much issue.

It's kind of like a much, much better version of the KSC75, which to my ears, still sounds better than the 6XX/650, lol

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nagisa_09 t1_j5x1264 wrote

Sounds like I made the right call then lol. I haven't heard the 650, and don't have any plans to, but I have heard the Rode NTH-100, which did sound overdampened and blunted.

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AnOldMoth t1_j5x343h wrote

Oh for sure, those things are probably Sennheiser's best, imo. At least in terms of tonality.

Enjoy them, they tend to last forever as well.

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politeCanadaPlatypus t1_j5wc621 wrote

I would rather return a headphone than need to EQ it. Too hard to sync the EQ across all devices. Plus it’s just not my jam ,I’d rather get new headphones to fix my sound.

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AnOldMoth t1_j5wcyi3 wrote

I have never heard a headphone that didn't need EQ, so your strategy doesn't really work in my experience. Even my favorite headphones have things about them that need correcting. Plus, EQ is very easy to apply across devices, takes a minute or two at most if you've already made a profile.

The perfect headphone does not exist. That is why we have the tools to make them into what we want.

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rajmahid t1_j5wikcx wrote

Heeere come the fanboy downvotes!! Lol

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AnOldMoth t1_j5wohzz wrote

I'm fairly used to it, lol. No one likes hearing that their favorite might not be as good as they think it is.

People can like what they like, no debating that. But when people say that there's nothing beyond this, I'm like, "Buddy, you're using a headphone that's good at like two things out of eight. Don't even go there."

But that's okay, Reddit is free to Reddit all it wants. I don't expect the hivemind to change course.

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