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Clickbaitllama t1_j6658a6 wrote

Reply to comment by disco_g in These are not the same by disco_g

No diffrence of sound can bring anything out of the “subjective” category. Enjoyment doesn’t have any objectivity.

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disco_g OP t1_j666fk0 wrote

To be clear, I meant that the two devices sound objectively different from each other. Which one is preferred is naturally subjective.

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Summer__1999 t1_j679j5d wrote

How are you able to claim that they're objectively different? Listening by ears? It's is not an objective way to do that because your ears (brain) is easily influenced by many factors.

That said, if you enjoy it, that's what matters the most. Even if it's just placebo, if money can buy happiness, I see it as an absolute win.

But , until you can come up with some convincing and reproducible way of proving one is indeed better than the other, please just enjoy it. Don't come claiming that how something is much better than the others just "by your ears", because these "info" might be misleading to people and probably lead to disappointment and money down the drain.

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disco_g OP t1_j67a0yw wrote

So are your fucking eyeballs, yet you can tell the difference between red and orange. Done with you dunces.

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lackofself2000 t1_j67aqk9 wrote

The difference between colors of light is the length of the wave of Electromagnetic radiation hitting your eye. Something that can be quite literally measured.

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Summer__1999 t1_j67aa0t wrote

Same with your eyes, ever heard of optical illusion?

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disco_g OP t1_j67ahp6 wrote

You way off track. I'm sorry but people can actually hear objective differences in sound. We can be tricked, but more often we are right. Especially those of us who are trained to critically listen to sound, which as a recordist, I am.

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Summer__1999 t1_j67ar3n wrote

I'm not saying that there is absolutely no difference, I can't say for sure. I'm saying that your "trust me bro" approach isn't convincing enough to claim that as "objective", because that's not what "objective" means

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disco_g OP t1_j67azdi wrote

Please do not trust me bro. I should not have trusted the people who said the Apple dongle was the last word in headphone amp fidelity, and you should not trust me.

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Summer__1999 t1_j67cvwk wrote

I (clearly?) am not trusting you, but others, especially newcomers, might, because of how you pass off your "info" as facts.

Also, just because you're xxx professional of some sort, does not make your ears the "objective" tool. Please don't think that you're that much superior than us just because you work with audio.

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disco_g OP t1_j67d3rh wrote

Lol ya got nothing. You are effectively arguing that the Apple dongle is the last word in headphone amp fidelity, and that people can’t hear differences in sound. Look at you.

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Summer__1999 t1_j67ewp0 wrote

>You are effectively arguing that the Apple dongle is the last word in headphone amp fidelity

Uhm no? Have you not read what I typed?

>I'm not saying that there is absolutely
no difference, I can't say for sure. I'm saying that your "trust me
bro" approach isn't convincing enough to claim that as "objective",
because that's what "objective" means

Anyways, what I'm saying is, you claimed that there's objective differences, but you only listened through you own ears, and you didn't describe how different they are apart from some vague terms like "more detail and clarity" in ONE comment. Also, in the other comment you made, you said that "Every single aspect of how an audio device sounds can be measured", well, instead of throwing around buzzwords and arguing your ass off with random internet strangers like me, how about you provide said measurements and how those measurements corresponds to your experience? Educate us.

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