Submitted by LuminousNutria t3_xxnw9e in history
Peter_deT t1_iref2mf wrote
Historians like Peter Heather (Empires and Barbarians) are good on this. For the first 250 years, Rome regularly extended its power across the Rhine and Danube. It negotiated treaties with the German and other groups, on free access for Roman traders (and slave-merchants), access to Roman goods and markets and so on. Bad behaviour was punished by legionary punitive expeditions, cutting off trade, diverting access and favoured treatment to rivals or just inviting the chief to dinner to discuss issues and then killing him. Rome levied drafts for the auxiliaries and took families in and distributed them to provinces short on labour. In other words, all the usual imperial playbook.
Over time the balance shifted. Germania developed, the tribes coalesced into bigger federations, the better to resist Roman pressure (the Alamanni, Franks, Goths, Marcomanni). Roman wars with these were tougher and more expensive, and paid less dividends. The treaties became less one-sided. As civil war, plague, agricultural exhaustion and so on weakened the Empire, the balance shifted. For the last hundred years or so, the Germans were trying to participate in Rome (often as defenders against other groups also wanting a piece), and Rome needed them too much to dictate terms. Then in 350-400 it fell apart under Hunnic and Gothic pressure.
Purplehazey t1_irg2bge wrote
To add to this, all of the civil wars plus general decline of army discipline really hampered the ability of the Roman's to raise legions and fight them effectively. Additionally, by the 3rd century, it was not uncommon for a general to win a big victory, proclaimed emperor, and fight other Roman's for control.
Purplehazey t1_irg2nqk wrote
Additionally, the Roman's ability to play Germans confederations against each other for 200+ years. Which worked for the Roman's fine since the Rhine is a natural border that is more secured than an arbitrary line in the woods.
knifetrader t1_isqt55r wrote
+1 for Heather, tons of fun to read as well. I really enjoyed *The Fall of the Roman Empire."
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