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Ferengi_Earwax t1_it358ot wrote

Reply to comment by 9998000 in Was there mass migration of Roman citizens from Western Empire to Eastern Empire during degredation and after fall of Western part of empire. by [deleted]

This is absolutely false. I've seen some bad comments but jeez. The western Roman empire fell from mass migrations. Let's name some. The huns, the goths, the vandals, the Frank's, the celts, the moors, the Saxons. Now let's go to the eastern empire. The pechaneg, the rus, the turks. Ffs.....

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Soap_MacLavish t1_it51tra wrote

You are missing the largest one. That of eastern mediterraneans (Greek - speaking anatolians mostly) to mainland Italy from the start of imperial Rome.

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RenegadeMoose t1_it55kr3 wrote

... the Visigoths, the Ostrogoths, the Langobards, the Burgundians...

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Ferengi_Earwax t1_it6dpic wrote

The rugii, thuringians, and the jutes, cherusci, chatti, and batavii.. and those pesky Irish who created the kingdom of Dal riada. What a chaotic age.

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9998000 t1_it35njy wrote

Invasion is not mass migration.

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Ferengi_Earwax t1_it35tfj wrote

Wut. All of these people were wandering tribes who came with their families. They are the definition of mass migration. It's not called the freaking migration period for no reason 😒

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TeaBoy24 t1_it3anwd wrote

Mass migration of Slavs? Rings a bell? It's but one example where it was and is labeled as a Migration as there was no one to Invade...

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AJ_Lounes t1_it3ax0d wrote

Some history books are talking of an invasion from the barbarians but the reality's more grey. Barbarians were already in the landscape for a long time. As a matter of fact, by the end of the west empire, most of the army, including leaders, was made of barbarians. The "invasion" was in fact the arrival of big groups of people, fleeing themselves from what was probably more of an invasion this time : the Huns.

Yes, some tensions and conflicts probably occured in the process, but it was not the bloody invasion depicted in our school books.

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Ferengi_Earwax t1_it3h1wf wrote

Well sometimes it was absolutely bloody, and they brought their families to watch! In wagon trains!

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