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Dizzy_Ad_1735 t1_itdjkz0 wrote

Reply to comment by Bashstash01 in Simple/Short/Silly History Questions Saturday! by AutoModerator

Rome is remembered for its supreme power, advanced engineering, military successes, religious customs, entertainment and its brutality. Whatever your view of Rome, you can’t deny that its international rule had wide-scale effects on our development. Beginning in the 8th century BC, ancient Rome grew from a small town on central Italy’s Tiber River into an empire that at its peaked encompassed most of continental Europe, Britain, much of Western Asia, northern Africa and the Mediterranean islands. It lasted for over 2,000 years, it's legacy is felt to this day. The United States of America is the modern Rome, it similarity is uncanny.

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Doctor_Impossible_ t1_itdqdgu wrote

>Rome is remembered for its supreme power, advanced engineering, military successes, religious customs, entertainment and its brutality.

You're just describing any empire.

>Whatever your view of Rome, you can’t deny that its international rule had wide-scale effects on our development.

Same as the British empire, Qing empire, Mongol empire, etc.

>The United States of America is the modern Rome, it similarity is uncanny.

O-kay.

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skyblueandblack t1_ite5hyz wrote

Ohhhh! So because it figures heavily into the history of your own worldview, that means it's the greatest, right? Yeah, that's a pretty dated worldview, sorry.

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Dizzy_Ad_1735 t1_ite8371 wrote

Name any other civilization that has left a huge impact greater than Rome, it's legacy is still seen to this day, like I stated before, USA is the closest to it, it's almost an exact copy.

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MeatballDom t1_itebjrx wrote

> you're writing the question using the Latin alphabet

Rome didn't invent the Latin alphabet.

> in a language that is heavily influenced by Latin

Calling English "heavily influenced by Latin is a very big stretch.

>if you speak Spanish, Italian, French, Romanian, or Portugese, you are speaking a language directly related to Latin.

All languages are related to others, this doesn't really tell us much.

>which spread Christianity

But did not create Christianity. Wouldn't this go against your own argument? Their own gods were supplanted by a foreign one.

>If you are Jewish and not living in Israel, it is because the Romans expelled the Jews from Judea, and your ancestors were forced to move elsewhere.

That's a pretty huge stretch, but which empires didn't cause populations to move?

>Geopolitically, a lot of the crimes committed against the Jews over the millennia can be traced to the expulsion of the Jews.

You're really going to have to provide a citation on that one.

>You could argue that the conflict in the Middle East is due to the area being under the control of the Eastern Roman Empire, and then the Ottoman Empire (it's successor empire), for two thousand years

You really couldn't.

> which lead peoples of various cultures, languages, and religions it intermingle in ways that didn't happen in other places

Where are their homogenous societies still existing? Not many. And every empire included mixtures of cultures, languages, and religions intermingling. That's a defining feature, but this is the norm in modern society.

The issues come more from the attempts to divide the intermingled peoples, and trying to force population exchanges and identity borders. See in particular Campos' Ottoman Brothers and the mandate system as a whole.

>and as a result, the nation-state as a political entity has mostly failed there

The notion of Nation States is a modern one entirely, trying to tie Nationalism with Rome is once again a stretch.

>derive from the Roman legal system.

Have some basis in, perhaps, but Rome did not create a unique legal system, they also found inspiration from other places to help create theirs, this is how all systems work throughout history. Rome is not unique in this.

>Trade routes between the various countries of Europe, particularly Western Europe, were affected by Roman occupation

Again, which empires did this not occur with?

>and in many cases, created by the Romans.

Such as?

>Oh, and the whole concept of the Senate, which we use in the U.S. as one of our two houses of Congress, is based on the Roman Senate.

Outside of the name the systems don't really match up that well.

I think you have this very strong view of an idealised Rome that has left you a bit biased. And as mentioned above, that's why no historian would try and list a greatest empire ever, or anything like the sort -- there's no scientific way to come up with such an answer. It's all bias.

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MeatballDom t1_itefhc6 wrote

>The Latin alphabet was developed from the Etruscan alphabet at some time before 600 BCE, it can be traced through Etruscan, Greek, and Phoenician scripts to the North Semitic alphabet used in Syria and Palestine about 1100 BCE

That's well written, too well written.

> Developed from the Etruscan alphabet at some time before 600 BC, it can be traced through Etruscan, Greek, and Phoenician scripts to the North Semitic alphabet used in the Middle East about 1100 BC.

http://kurdishacademy.org/?p=2570

If you're going to start off your argument with plagiarism it doesn't really give me much confidence for the rest of the thing.

And here's the rest https://www.wondriumdaily.com/echoes-of-rome-roman-influences-in-everyday-modern-lives/

>One of the most overt ways in which Rome has shaped the modern world is in the area of politics and government. The United States was founded and designed as a deliberate imitation of the Roman Republic. This is why it possesses such features and vocabulary such as a senate, three branches of government, a system of checks and balances, and vetoes, all of which were components of the Roman Republic.

>The emphasis on citizenship and the participatory role of citizens are based on a Roman paradigm, exemplified by the legendary Roman citizen, Cincinnatus. The Founding Fathers were steeped in classical ideas, and self-consciously set out to fashion a new Rome.

>The instigators of the French Revolution were similarly inspired by an idealized notion of the Roman Republic, and both countries adopted much of their symbolism and terminology from Rome.

>In general, Roman history and the Latin language have given rise to a surprising number of terms for absolute rulers, including ‘prince’ from princeps; ‘duke’ from dux; ‘Tsar’ and ‘Kaiser’ from Caesar; and, of course, the word “dictator” itself.

None of this is your own thoughts.

>I can go on and on, but its to much for this subreddit.

But you can't. You've just copied and pasted what others have said and have misconstrued their arguments to try and fit yours.

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