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MrMoogyMan t1_iuxhdhb wrote

Hi, amateur (and minor degree holder) of Chinese history, language and culture here. This is somewhat dependent on the historical period, but there is evidence of chattel slavery (along with convict slavery) used for megastructures like the Great Wall and irrigation/land reclamation projects in the flood plains during the Qin and Han. There is also evidence that the caste systems during and preceding the Han supported inherited slave-status, i.e. you were a slave if your mother was one. This shows up in Confucian works occasionally. The popularity of slavery seems to have waxed and waned throughout China's dynastic eras. One of my Chinese professors explained the Chinese word 人民 renmin as proof of social stratification and evidence of feudal slavery. Not sure how right he was on that, but interesting idea.

IMO traditional bondage and commodification of women in China counts as slavery, and that's seen throughout its entire history. Not chattel slavery but slavery nonetheless.

Expansionistic dynasties surely would have taken war slaves, and there seems to be evidence of this in various complied histories like the Tangshi. Of course, you have the Yuan dynasty that enslaved many peoples both endemic and foreign to China, and the rendering of the native Chinese to second class citizens. This occurs during Qing (they were invaders as well), but you see a decline and eventually abolition of slavery post 1909. This did not really end indentured servitude or convict labor systems that were then adapted by the CCP's Laogai system (Chinese analog of the Soviet gulag).

I don't know if one has ever found any evidence for the chattel slavery similar to the American South's systems, but I'm guessing it's probably still possible, although many of the conditions that made the American system monolithic (colonialism, capitalism, industrialist, etc.) may not have been so at any point in Chinese history.

I have not read many scholarly works on slavery in China, but the evidence for multiple systems of slavery do seem to exist throughout its history, from imperial correspondences to pieces of art. It would be worth research, and would make a good history grad thesis.

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MrMoogyMan t1_iuxhvp3 wrote

I did want to add that China has always had a lot of people, so that changes the dynamics of available labor and would therefore change the need for a chattel slavery system ala Dixie.

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War_Hymn OP t1_iuy7w23 wrote

Thanks for your reply. This topic interests me because I've been led to believe that societies with a surplus in labour had little need for slavery on the level that we saw in say, ancient Rome or 17/18th century Americas. This is obviously not completely true. I'm going to see if I can score some primary sources and have my Chinese friends translate it for me :).

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xier_zhanmusi t1_iuybtbe wrote

There is a theory that the character 民 depicts a slaves eye being blinded; this character is recorded back to Shang times where there was ritual sacrifice too. It's recorded in pre-Qin books (see 周礼 in link below) with 人 as 人民 in a way that suggests they are two separate nouns in an unmarked conjunction; this would later have led to the current 2 character word perhaps as the social conditions under which pre-Qin slaves existed disappeared?

https://zi.tools/zi/%E6%B0%91

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BA%BA%E6%B0%91

I'm no expert so just trying to reconstruct your professors logic, which seems plausible with my limited knowledge.

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