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marketrent OP t1_ixhdq29 wrote

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>It is easy to forget the unprecedented nature of Trypillia megasites. During the 5th and 4th millennia BC in Eurasia, Trypillia megasites were unique in size and scale.

>Nowhere else on the planet in 4200 BC compared to the megasite of Vesely Kut, in south-central Ukraine, covering an area of 150 ha.

>While major parts of the megasite plans have been produced at Taljanki and Majdanetske, the Nebelivka Project has produced the only complete megasite plan so far, with a site area of 238 ha inside a shallow perimeter ditch.

>The characterization of the category ‘urban’ in the Trypillian context in general, and Nebelivka in particular, has nine constituents — the territory to which a site is central, site size, population numbers, population heterogeneity, the concentration of skilled labour and management, the built environment and formalized spaces with special functions, the scale of subsistence, the potential to be a node and re-distribution centre in a wide-reaching exchange network and the overall social structure.

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>The social, economic and personal implications of living on a small 4.5 ha and the rare >150 ha sites are so different that there was no possibility that the Nebelivka megasite was simply a very large example of a typical small rural settlement.

>It is only in the last 10 years that the significance of a certain class of sites has finally been recognized.

>In contrast to the classic high-density cities such as London, Paris and Berlin, low-density urban sites displayed variable population densities across their much larger area.

>Low-density urbanism was initially recognised by Roland Fletcher and is now an acknowledged alternative trajectory of urban development in most regions in the world.

Bisserka Gaydarska and John Chapman, 30 November 2020.

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TheNightIsLost t1_ixpnwjx wrote

What about Gobekli Tope?

Also, that region, Fertile Crescent and Eurasia, seems to be the birthplace of our entire modern civilization.

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LSF604 t1_ixtf8wv wrote

Abandoned for thousands of years by that point.

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Baneken t1_iy5ujm4 wrote

And apparently Göbekli Tepe wasn't permanently settled but rather a gathering spot for annual meets and religious festivals for local semi-pastoral communities.

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Royal_Bumblebee_ t1_iycti75 wrote

notice that this article was written in 2020.

In for example London when buildings were destroyed during the WW2 blitz... many new archeological discoveries were made amongst the rubble. in particular there is a famous ancient roman temple to the god Mithras.

I wonder what if anything might be found from the recent bombing in ukraine. Very sad, but also imagine if they found further evidence of very ancient cities in Ukraine... would hurt Putin's stated aim of rendering all ukrainian history and culture as a subset of Russia's, and it would be done due to discoveries made from the destruction wrought by his bombs.

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