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RiddlingTea t1_iy18xfi wrote

I mean civilian as in not actively part of the military—Churchill made plenty of decisions regarding war without being a military man.

And my point was more that peace with the US was genuinely desired on good terms. That Tojo deposed Konoe for failure in peace talks implies success was desirable.


ATNinja t1_iy19hio wrote

>Churchill made plenty of decisions regarding war without being a military man.

Churchill did serve in the british military. Pretty sure he was in south Africa for the boer wars.

But maybe you meant active duty military?


panchampion t1_iy1gory wrote

He was also war secretary or something similar during WW1 but he resigned after Gallipoli


TheMadT t1_iy2e9de wrote

And went on to serve for the remainder of WWI if I recall correctly.


RiddlingTea t1_iy1ao1e wrote

Yeah. What I mean is holding the position of a general concurrently, as in involved in the military at that present moment. Sorry for the imprecision.


-heathcliffe- t1_iy25l2i wrote

Regardless Churchill was not at the helm of a totalitarian state, so his decisions were by no means absolute, military or civilian.


prentiz t1_iy2l2pt wrote

And fought in the trenches in WW1


ATNinja t1_iy2lv2n wrote

Damn I did not know that. Left a safe leadership position too.

It's crazy to me how many leaders in ww2 fought in ww1 and were still willing to commit their young people to another war like that.


IBAZERKERI t1_iy70b6z wrote

churchill was a military man


RiddlingTea t1_iy7dze4 wrote

He wasn’t a general at the same time as being a politician though, in contrast to the Japanese, that was more my point.