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Aselleus t1_iyovovj wrote

"I don’t know why you would write somebody else’s name so many times like that,"

Well, it looks like someone never had a crush before


Averander t1_iyoxduk wrote

Just makes you want to know so much more!


Snoo_73835 t1_iyp4mxe wrote

Why I love history and archaeology 😊


GrandmaPoses t1_iyp62kb wrote

Yeah that was the strangest quote.

“We’ve got this drawing of someone with open arms and the other person doesn’t notice them. Then we have the name Eadburg written repeatedly. I think it’s pretty obvious what’s going on here: Eadburg is writing her own name over and over for some unknown reason.”


JesseKavets t1_iyp8twt wrote

Well we now know where “talk to the hand” came from.


randomname1561 t1_iypa3k4 wrote

My theory is that someone taught her how to write her name and she used the book as scratch paper


[deleted] t1_iypb508 wrote

Sadly not during that time period. Most peasant kids (and adults) never learned to read or write. Education was a privilege for the relatively well off up until fairly recently (late 19th / early 20th century).


eeandersen t1_iyph0cl wrote

This such an interesting report. Thanks OP for putting it in front of me. So many questions.


informativebitching t1_iyphabe wrote

Also this…1/5 of a human hair thick indentations from a dry stylus…seems more like someone was doodling on a paper sitting on top of the book they were supposed to be reading. Why would you write something at all that can’t be detected without 21st century technology? No offense to these pros but their conclusions seem ridiculous


Homeimprvrt t1_iyprg2s wrote

Writing a woman’s name tens (probably hundreds) of times including nicknames is considered “clear evidence” of a female writing by historians? When do people write their own name over and over including variants when reading religious texts? These “historians” need their PhDs checked.


Peanut_Butter_Toast t1_iypuleh wrote

I wonder if academics will analyze and interpret our memes like this 1300 years from now.


Cethinn t1_iyq24oo wrote

But they still do need to learn their name at some point. It's almost like we are seeing a tiny fragment of what someone did in their life and shouldn't expect to see all of their education just because they also learned other things, if this is what happened.


ItsMud t1_iyq33ur wrote

This looks exactly like my 6 year old daughter's drawings and she also writes her name on everything. These aren't primitive 75000 year old cave drawings, that sketch says young child to me.


doctorcrimson t1_iyq5mar wrote

Maybe she was a co-author and they conveniently didn't notice for 12 centuries?


onetimenative t1_iyq6uip wrote

The texts and pieces that survive.

Imagine losing 99% of all global data 1,000 years from now ... there was a huge catastrophe, an asteroid hit the planet and blew away half the surface and much of what was left barely survived. A few thousand humans survive but they lose all of civilization and are thrown back to hunter survival mode. A couple hundred years go by and people start to pick up the pieces of their lost ancestors.

They find a partial chapter of the Bible, a few pages of the Koran, some Hebrew texts, a dozen books on New York tax law, a partial copy of hustler magazine and your complete personal written journal with all its writing and doodles.


No_Fun8701 t1_iyqfl4n wrote

Was the "writer" able to see what was written or drawn ?

Children tend to have better vision , maybe .


Raggenn t1_iyqg3jp wrote

Even cartoons from 12 centuries ago only have 4 fingers. Interesting...


theredwoman95 t1_iyqittg wrote

The manuscript was kept in an abbey until the 1500s - abbeys were often used as schools for aristocratic children and would also educate peasant children given to them as initiates (who sometimes would decide against becoming a monk or nun as an adult). It's entirely possible this was the case here.


SpinachTraditional12 t1_iyqk15o wrote

>…your complete personal written journal with all its writing and doodles.

Oh, my journal is going to be one of the representatives of the culture of our time? Hmm… brb, I suddenly have a lot of boobs and penises I need to draw in my journal.


OldMollyOxford t1_iyqk4z9 wrote

Eadburg is very unlikely to be a name given more than a generation or two after the Norman Conquest though! So I don’t think you’d find it among later medieval schoolchildren or their crushes.


theredwoman95 t1_iyqk9z1 wrote

I've actually been looking at the Winchester pipe rolls (basically accounts of the bishop's tenants) lately, which started in the first decade of the 1200s, and you still see quite a significant amount of Old English names. It's maybe 10% of women's names at most, and not many women appear in the first place, but it's still enough that I wouldn't rule the post-Conquest period out.


Toucani t1_iyqo3o2 wrote

Absolutely. That simplistic sketch and writing a name loads of times in a 'textbook' is classic childish behaviour. It may well have been an educated woman but I wouldn't be surprised if this was a child writing on a parent's text or even a slightly older child bored when studying.


Darth_Kahuna t1_iyqs0uz wrote

I shudder to think someone might find my 8th grade algebra textbook in 1,300 years and make it some big thing. "Look at the sketch of this woman w glasses we assume was the teacher dangling over fire. These ppl 1,300 years ago must have been monsters!" No, I was simple in a Jesuit school and everything which bothered me went to hell in my drawings when I was 13 years old (despite no longer believing)!


Old_Mill t1_iyqvdev wrote

Apparently they have never doodled before either... I have practiced my signature and doodled my name in general all over a paper thousands of times.

Maybe in a few centuries some dweeb historian will be perplexed by my writings.


lostgirl11 t1_iyqw4ih wrote

That's all they have ever done.

The lost world is bigger than anything you've ever known or will know. Mathematically you're gonna die before you reach a conclusion worthy of permanent anything.

There's enough love and gravity to spend lifetimes on. Let alone everything we are too dumb to know or acknowledge yet


CthulhuXRS t1_iyqwitn wrote

'Talk to the hand' is a lot older than I thought, if that doodle is anything to go by?


[deleted] t1_iyr2170 wrote

True! And a few of these names survived until more recent times as well. The last Old English feminine name to die out was Ethel, and that was just during the past century. There are a few masc OE names that survive today, but are rarely used (Edmund, Robert, Edward; all more common a few generations ago).


ZweitenMal t1_iyr8lfn wrote

Edward and Robert are hardly extinct names. Edmund and Ethel are less common but these names are still in use. Edward is actually an excellent name—I named my son Edward.


mcrackin15 t1_iyrkfx8 wrote

I assume someone was teaching her how to write her own name using a piece of paper on top of the surface that these markings were found on. Weird that they try to come up with something significant.


ImaginaMagica t1_iyrkri1 wrote

How long did ink last on a page in that time period? Maybe the drawings predated the names by a wide margin. Like the person practicing their name was just using whatever space was left on the pages.


JANGO- t1_iyrxul7 wrote

What does eadburg mean? Bug-eater?


RogueDIL t1_iyryozp wrote

And it also took leading edge technology to figure out how to gently slide a pencil lead over indentations on paper to see what was written on the page before it?

Perhaps these scientists should have a look at pretty much every detective drama made from the late seventies until the early nineties for the technique!


[deleted] t1_iyrypp7 wrote

You may have misunderstood me — Edward was my example of an Old English name that is NOT extinct. It’s cool and timeless, and Ed / Eddie is a fun nickname.

And people are still naming their kids Ethel? The only one I ever met was my Great Aunt’s friend who was ninety years old 25 years ago (she would be 115 today).


patsully98 t1_iyrz9sz wrote

I think if your name is Ethel you’re contractually obligated to be a great aunt or friend of someone’s great aunt. When my girlfriends nephew had a baby (gf was 40) I started calling her Ethel. That’s not her name.


worotan t1_iys7lhm wrote

Except the technology means they don’t need to rub a pencil over 1,200 + year old manuscripts hoping to see if they find anything on each of the many pages.


worotan t1_iys86uq wrote

You could just have written that we continue to do nothing serious about climate change. That will disrupt society enough that history disappears as people use their energy trying to survive in a world that has fallen apart.

The society that results will use its energy to look forward, not back, as it’s resources don’t allow for all the effort required for the upkeep of historical records.

Just going off what has happened in the previous examples of society breaking down; and this one will be much, much worse.


Origamiface t1_iysyrcj wrote

That's the other thing, the doodles here are really poor, like, they look like a toddler's drawings. I feel like a modern average adult would produce better doodles.


Kubliah t1_iytacwr wrote

>Significantly, they found Eadburg’s name passionately etched into the margins of the manuscript in five places, while abbreviated forms of the name appear a further 10 times. This suggests it is likely to have been Eadburg herself who made the marks. “I could understand why somebody might write someone else’s name once. But I don’t know why you would write somebody else’s name so many times like that,” Hodgkinson said. An Old English transcription, and tiny, rough drawings of figures – in one case, of a person with outstretched arms, reaching for another person who is holding up a hand to stop them – were also discovered etched on to the small book,

This has to be some of the worste sleuthing ever, a highly educated woman writing her own name over and over? Someone in charge of an Abby would be older and wouldn't still be practicing her signature, and people practicing their signature would likely want to see how they are doing, sort of like why people don't target practice in the dark.

And the real headslapper, "I could understand why somebody might write someone else’s name once. But I don’t know why you would write somebody else’s name so many times like that" only to have it immediately followed up by:

>in one case, of a person with outstretched arms, reaching for another person who is holding up a hand to stop them