Comments
RoofORead t1_iznmkze wrote
These days we can be warned off using kohl as unlike what was used by Ancient Egyptians some commercial brands in use today contain lead https://www.therevisionist.org/reviews/guide-to-apply-ithmid-kohl-checking-its-quality/
Goofy_hypocrites t1_izpiwzs wrote
Cleopatra wasn’t an ancient Egyptian. She was a Greek.
This is Wikipedia level information.
[deleted] t1_izpjxvg wrote
[removed]
rbobby t1_izpl5g0 wrote
So... same as now?
thomashefe t1_izpl9lm wrote
I mean the article had no mention of Cleopatra - just a photo from a movie clip of someone playing Cleopatra. Feels like you’re missing the point of the entire article if this is what your takeaway is.
RiceAlicorn t1_izpmncr wrote
No? If you read the article, it describes how the practices back then were different.
I don't think many people today wear eyeshadow to ward off the threat of Satan or other evil entities.
Airwreckah_Reed t1_izpohdz wrote
Uhm… speak for yourself
Goofy_hypocrites t1_izpp0ff wrote
No mention of Cleopatra? Cmon dude.
The headline of the article uses a picture of Liz Taylor as Cleopatra, and her picture is used as a comparison to a sarcophagus that Cleopatra was NOT buried in. I clicked on the link before commenting.
Was Cleopatra in ancient Egypt as a colonizer? Sure. Did she use makeup? I’ve never seen a painting of the Greek Cleopatra in Egyptian eye makeup. She shouldn’t have been used in anything related to the culture of ancient Egypt. People who don’t know better will attribute her white skin to ancient Egypt, and we both know that.
grazerbat t1_izpq1ri wrote
If there was a better example available, I'd agree that should be uses. That said, the Ptolomayic Dynasty adopted a lot of the indigenous culture. A black person wearing Lederhosen still serves as a good example of what Lederhosen look like.
>Did she use makeup? I’ve never seen a painting of the Greek Cleopatra in Egyptian eye makeup.
You seem like an intelligent person. I'm sure you know that absence if evidence is not evidence If absence
Taleya t1_izpqaiz wrote
Please quote the article segment mentioning cleopatra.
BearsBeetsBerlin t1_izpwsd8 wrote
My eyeshadow actually invites Satan and other evil entities
aisha_so_sweet t1_izq4igr wrote
Kohl has been used for so long, sumerians used it, ancient arab bedouins used it and still do. The best kohl is the one made at home with their own family recipe. Its the only thing I wear, instead of manufactured eyeliners, I prefer kohl. Henna, Perfume to has been around since ancient sumeria, even before. Its amazing how long they have been around and we still use same things to this day.
fluffy_doughnut t1_izq5dj8 wrote
You'd be surprised. Part of the process of preparing the body for funeral is not only putting it in proper clothing, but also doing makeup. After we die, our faces change, skin tone looks different etc and this is why the makeup is usually done. Not only on women, but also men.
People who come to say last goodbye to their beloved ones want to remember them looking almost the same as when they were alive. Definitely nobody wants to see bruises and other obvious signs telling you that you're looking at a corpse.
RiceAlicorn t1_izq6a5f wrote
I'm not surprised. I didn't say that the traditions were completely different and alien to us — just that they were different. I'm aware that some of the makeup practices in the past wrre done for similar if not the exact same reasond as today, but at the same time they also did makeup for other reasons (such as specifically to ward away evil).
[deleted] t1_izq6yfk wrote
[removed]
StationFrosty OP t1_izqdehv wrote
>Cleopatra wasn’t an ancient Egyptian. She was a Greek.
​
dude, she was born in Egypt! Doesn't it make her Egyptian.
[deleted] t1_izqebtv wrote
[deleted]
RedNotch t1_izqekbi wrote
Right? Wtf did he think people meant when they say “Slay, queen”.
StationFrosty OP t1_izqeu54 wrote
Cleopatra was not Greek. She was a member of the Ptolemaic dynasty, which was a Greek royal family that ruled Egypt after the death of Alexander the Great. However, Cleopatra herself was not Greek. She was born in Egypt and was the first member of the Ptolemaic dynasty to learn the Egyptian language, which she spoke fluently. She also embraced many aspects of Egyptian culture and identified herself as the reincarnation of the goddess Isis.
EvilStepFather t1_izqfql0 wrote
Egyptians also used crocodile dung as a contraceptive so maybe not everything they did was a great idea
Unlimitles t1_izqfzgi wrote
are you saying she wasn't indigenous to the land? if that is what you're saying you'd be correct, her family was from Greece, but her family colonized egypt, and she was born in Egypt.
She's nationally an Egyptian, but ethnically Greek.
in the same way an African person born in America Is Ethnically African, and Nationally American.
LovesGettingRandomPm t1_izqldpu wrote
if it works it works
[deleted] t1_izqotzx wrote
[removed]
supershinythings t1_izqpdxb wrote
If you reek of croc dung, maybe a partner is less willing to mate.
[deleted] t1_izqpmzp wrote
[removed]
Kataphractoi t1_izqtmti wrote
At this point you're just trying to pick a fight.
Scarlett_Blaze t1_izqwtq4 wrote
Pharos were not white btw like in the photos here... they were black africans..
[deleted] t1_izqx4st wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_izqyxnk wrote
[removed]
[deleted] t1_izr0xuv wrote
[removed]
Dukesphone t1_izrcne2 wrote
The Ptolemaic Dynasty (Cleopatra) were Macedonian Greeks
enternationalist t1_izreny3 wrote
To anyone thinking of picking up some kohl, do look out for lead content;
enternationalist t1_izrezbr wrote
The ancient egyptians seem to have used galena to make kohl, which is lead(II) sulfide.
[deleted] t1_izrk3j5 wrote
Gimpknee t1_izrkf9p wrote
The last native Pharaoh was Nectanebo II, overthrown by about 343-341 BCE as a result of the Persian conquest, the King of Persia would then be crowned Pharaoh until Alexander conquered Egypt from the Persians in 332 BCE. Alexander died in 323 BCE and, following the wars of his successors, Ptolemy, a Macedonian Greek general, took over Egypt and created an ethnically Greek ruling dynasty that ended in 30 BCE with the death of Cleopatra. Egypt was then incorporated into the Roman Empire, and Emperors were seen as Pharaohs until Daza died in 313 CE.
Incantanto t1_izrmbe0 wrote
It was used on the dead, not by them
The dead did not apply it themselves
the_turn t1_izrn2f9 wrote
The guy was clearly replying only to the comment and not to the article humorously.
Western funereal practices with which I am familiar (admittedly only a subset of Western practices, and an even smaller subset of global practices) all include the application of make up in both living and dead contexts, and that was all the comment that was being replied to specified.
The comment mentioned nothing about the nature of the specific practices.
Pathfinder6 t1_izrpj2c wrote
Like Charlize Theron and Elon Musk are African-Americans.
Apprehensive_World10 t1_izrqfx3 wrote
They were not black africans, apart from the 25th dinasty, the nubian one, that didn't last long. Otherwise pharaos were like we can see today from the mummies, pictures on the ancient walls and statues
FoolInTheDesert t1_izv2rwq wrote
Most of the Pharos looked like the Eqyptian Copts of today,. These people are not Arabs and they are not black, they are not white either if that needed to be said lol. These people are the direct descendants of ancient Egyptian ruling class and the dominant culture during the dynastic and old kingdom periods. Today Egypt has more sub-saharan and north African DNA circulating than they did 2000 years ago when Cleopatra was around and more than they did 4000 or 5000 years ago during the dynastic and old kingdom.
aisha_so_sweet t1_izv628m wrote
Never buy the ones in the store especially the ones made in pakistan or india. If one must buy a kohl from a shop then get the guerlain one tbh, its safe and an updated version of kohl. I get mine from the actual stone not lead.
enternationalist t1_izvetrb wrote
Just as a note to others (I'm sure you are careful!) , even stones are traditionally a lead compound - galena is typical, and is a lead sulfide.
[deleted] t1_izwdqcd wrote
[removed]
ThatGIRLkimT t1_izwds8y wrote
I wonder how it started. They are artistic!
StationFrosty OP t1_iznejwz wrote
The ancient Egyptians were so fond of makeup that it was used not only by the living, but also by the dead. When a person died, their body was carefully prepared for the afterlife, and part of this process involved the application of makeup.