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Rear-gunner OP t1_j0kaqi8 wrote

I am not sure we need proof as Hezekiah's story is one of the best to cross-reference with the rest of the Mid-Eastern world's historical documents.

But it does appear that his dating must be moved back a bit in light of this discovery.

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Rear-gunner OP t1_j0nxu1k wrote

> If we were to find an inscription of Odysseus confirming he was king of Ithaca during a particular era,

Speculating what would be required to prove various claims or statements is interesting. To prove a claim, it is typically necessary to provide evidence that supports it and to show that this evidence is strong enough to justify accepting the claim as accurate. This inscription would show that he probably existed and was king of Ithaca during a particular era.

> that still is not proof that the Trojan Horse idea came to him from the goddess Athena.

But I do not see the significance here of this comment, no one is claiming a supernatural claim. But of course, ultimately, the level of evidence and argumentation required to prove a claim will depend on the complexity and significance of the claim itself, as well as the standards of evidence that are accepted within the relevant field of study or domain of inquiry.

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RocketlMan t1_j0o9zjh wrote

Good post! There's actually a lot in the Bible that can be proven archaeologically

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Rear-gunner OP t1_j0odw7g wrote

The writers of the bible had access to the royal libraries of Israel and Judah.

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ThatGIRLkimT t1_j0tgl84 wrote

Discovery about the bible will always catch my attention.

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TooMuchPretzels t1_j0oalsz wrote

I’m not sure what the astounding discovery here is. Are people shocked that a collection of ancient Jewish texts had some facts right? Like please someone explain to me like I’m 5. Between this and the article from the jpost the other day about some coins, what’s the big deal that I’m missing?

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MeatballDom t1_j0obnbw wrote

It's an incredible discovery.

They're not going to not report about it because some people might be upset by it.

This thread would be going very differently if it was "Proof of Spartan King deciphered on ancient rock inscription"

And people need to ask themselves why that is.

People that get upset every time anything remotely tied to religion is mentioned need to find a new hobby, because history cannot be separated from it.

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TooMuchPretzels t1_j0ocaqr wrote

I mean I think it’s neat, I guess I really just want to understand it’s significance. I read the very brief article which was more ads than text.

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Crizbibble t1_j0ok60r wrote

It might not be significant in the “news” subreddit but in the “history” subreddit I’m not sure what else you would want to be here.

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crazyjkass t1_j0om880 wrote

It's a major historical find from antiquity? This is /r/history BTW

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Lord0fHats t1_j0xfp6x wrote

It's a bit over-sensationalized in the article.

The part of Israel's history that gets tagged with ???s mostly concerns the period before the burning of the first temple in 586. From 586 onward, Israel's history is fairly well attested and can be cross-referenced.

What's generally questioned is the depiction of the kingdoms of David and Solomon as very powerful and influential states, mostly because you'd think if they were the Assyrians, Babylonians, Egyptians, and Hittites would have mentioned them and the archeological record doesn't support such a state existing. There is at best 2 or 3 references to Judah in their records despite them talking about this region a lot. It was a really important region for the big empires of the age.

But there's been growing evidence for years, sporadic as it is, for an proto-state Judah. The Tel Dan Stele sure seems to reference a 'House of David.'* It's generally speaking, taken for granted that Judah existed before 586, existed for a good while, and was possibly/probably a regional power. What's questioned is if it was really as strong a kingdom as the Bible suggests it is cause we'd expect to see evidence for such a state where we're not finding it.

Put another way, it's not really a question of whether the Kings of Judah existed or not. It's mostly a question of if the Bible is an accurate record of their history. There's no real reason to doubt these men existed. We accept king's lists at face value all the time. There's contradictory evidence though as to how powerful and important these kings were regionally and in the broader political network of the Near East of the ancient world before 586.

As the OP article suggests, this discovery is mostly about chronology, which is a very fucky and hard to detail subject because until people started recording dates it can be really hard to gauge when things happened in relation to other things. We have to fallback heavily on things like wood rings, geological events, and cross references to try and nail down the timeline of human history before the 6-5th century BCE.

This find is cool because it purportedly has a date (said because this will be investigated and confirmed) which is a pretty big find. Biblical Scholars have argued for a long time that parts of the Bible come from now lost royal records, and old stone carvings are useful for supporting that especially if their old. I do note however that the OP article fails to explain how these inscriptions were dated.

Their having a date isn't the same thing as being written on that date (the oldest date given in the Maya world is hundreds of years before the inscription itself was chiseled). They kind of skip over that in this article and simply claim the age of the inscriptions.

*(there are people who question the translation but they're more and more a minority and alternative translations have not been convincing)

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