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varain1 t1_j26h11e wrote

Reply to comment by sin-and-love in Did Italy made a mistake by joining the Entente in 1915 during World War One? by Top_Moment4144

Started by Austro-Hungary to gain more territory and it ended with the dissolution of Austro-Hungary ...

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Archmagnance1 t1_j26jsah wrote

A very bad bluff that was made because extremists killed the heir that was also likely sympathetic to serbian interests. A giant victorian political mess with a dying empire at the center of the mess.

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IRSunny t1_j26k8r7 wrote

I wouldn't say they did so to gain more territory, moreso to keep their relatively recent acquisitions. They had a Serbian nationalist problem in Bosnia which they'd acquired from the Ottomans 35 years prior and so their attack on Serbia was one part face saving punitive war to avenge the slain heir and another part stamp out the perceived ongoing threat to their integrity.

But yeah, it was very much a case of punching a brick and the wall falls down upon you.

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Nodeo-Franvier t1_j274ynv wrote

I think the Austrian were justified against Serbian terrorist state though,It's like US response to 9/11. Although in hindsight this was stupid thing to do.

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varain1 t1_j27orxr wrote

Unlike USA, Austro-Hungary was a multinational empire, with a lot of internal issues and national liberation movements. Austria broke the Berlin treaty and fully annexed Bosnia, where the majority was not Austrian or Hungarian, but Serbian and Ottoman.

The Austrian heir was killed in Sarajevo, with the killers all being Austrian citizens, the capital of Bosnia, not in Viena.

And Austria, after getting the support of Germany, sent a 48 hours ultimatum to Serbia which would have practically made Serbia a territory of Austria - see bellow some "fun" requests:

  1. Remove from the Serbian military and civil administration all officers and functionaries whose names the Austro-Hungarian Government will provide.

  2. Accept in Serbia "representatives of the Austro-Hungarian Government" for the "suppression of subversive movements".

Serbia, which had the Russian support, didn't accept the requests, England offered to mediate, but Austro-Hungary decided to declare war on Serbia - Russia started to mobilize, Germany declared war on Belgium, France and Russia, and England declared war on Germany ...

You can read all the fun in Wikipedia, here, but Austro-Hungary really was not like USA, but more like Russia's invasion in Ukraine...

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Seienchin88 t1_j289kpo wrote

While I agree the parallels to 9/11 are quite striking. The assassins were citizens of the Austrian empire but they were radicalized and support by a Serbian institution and coordination with he assassination with the knowledge of some Serbian members of government.

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varain1 t1_j298vvo wrote

9/11 was an attack in one of the most iconic USA cities on civilians, by foreign citizens. The Sarajevo incident was a targeted assassination on the heir of the empire, done in an occupied province, by Austrian citizens of Serbian nationality - it's a risk you get when you have a multinational empire which has a heavy boot on the occupied nationalities in "Europe 's Powder Keg".

The only parallel is that both are terrorist attacks, but you can list some of the "striking parallels" if you want, I would like to see them ...

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PrimevalDuck t1_j29p3dw wrote

> annexed Bosnia, where the majority was not Austrian or Hungarian, but Serbian and Ottoman

Wrong, the majority was Bosniak

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