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TheBalrogofMelkor t1_j3aonpa wrote

The Russian civil war famously had the Reds (communists) and Whites (monarchists), but also the Blacks (anarchists) and the Greens (peasant armies). The Reds used the Greens and Blacks to fight the Whites and then backstabbed them to win, notably in Ukraine where they were the biggest factions.

Pretty much everyone would massacre the jews, and there were hundreds of pogroms.

At one point, a White general converted to a militant sect of Buddism and led an army of mounted Mongols who captured Ulaan Battar (capital of Mongolia).

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Lev_Davidovich t1_j3b619t wrote

I think it was only the Whites massacring Jews. Emma Goldman, an American anarchist who was deported to Russia during the civil war for speaking out against WWI, has an account of visiting Fastov, a predominantly Jewish Ukrainian city, that had been ravaged by pogroms where they prayed for Lenin because the Red Army securing the region had stopped the pogroms:

>We had heard and read of ghastly anti-Jewish pogroms, but we had never before come face to face with their ravages. On our way to the town we met neither human being nor beast until we reached the market square. A dozen stands displayed a miserable assortment of cabbages, potatoes, herring, and cereals. Their owners were mostly women. Instead of showing some animation at the sudden avalanche of so many customers, they hurriedly pulled their handkerchiefs over their foreheads and shrank back in fright. But their eyes remained riveted in terror on the men with us, consisting of Sasha, Henry, and our young Communist collaborator. We were completely nonplussed. Being the best-versed in Yiddish, I addressed an old Jewess near by. Except for our woman companion, I told her, we were the children of Yehudim, and we had come from America. Would she not tell me why the women acted so strangely? She pointed to the men. “Send them away,” she begged. The men withdrew. I remained with our secretary, Shakol, and the women approached nearer. Soon the whole group surrounded us, each competing with the rest in their eagerness to tell us the story of their tsores (troubles).

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>Our three male companions joined us in the synagogue. The whole assembly tried to tell us the tragic story of their town, all at once. We suggested that they choose a committee of three, each in his turn to relate to us what had happened. In that way we were able to get a coherent account of one of the worst pogroms that had taken place in the Ukraine. Fastov had repeatedly been the scene of Jewish massacres, perpetrated by the hordes of every White general who had invaded the district. They had suffered from Denikin, from Petlura and the other enemy forces. But the pogrom organized in 1919 by Denikin had been the most fiendish one. It had lasted a whole week and had taken the lives of four thousand persons outright and of several thousand more that had perished while escaping to Kiev. But death had not been the worst infliction, the rabbi said in a broken voice. Far more harrowing had been the violation of the women, regardless of age, the young among them repeatedly and in the presence of their male kin, whom the soldiers held pinioned. Old Jews were trapped in the synagogue, tortured, and killed, while their sons were driven to the market square to meet similar fates.

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>The old rabbi being too shaken to continue, the narrative was taken up by another of the committee. Fastov had been, he said, one of the most prosperous cities in the south. When the Denikin hordes tired of their blood orgy, they pilfered every home, demolished the things they could not carry away, and set the houses on fire. The larger part of the town was destroyed. The survivors, a mere handful, most of them old women and small children, were now doomed to slow extinction unless help quickly came from somewhere. God had heard their prayers and had sent us at the moment when they had almost despaired of the Jewish world’s learning of their great calamity. “Borukh Adonai!” he cried solemnly, “blessed be Thy name.” And everyone repeated after him: “Borukh Adonai!

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>In the whole gruesome picture of Fastov two redeeming features stood out. The Gentiles of the town had had no share in the massacres. And no pogroms had taken place since the Bolshevik forces had entered the district. Our informants admitted that the Red soldiers were not free from anti-Semitism, but the establishment of Soviet authority in Fastov had lifted the dread of new massacres, and the villagers had been praying for Lenin ever since. “Why only for Lenin?” we asked; “why not also for Trotsky and Zinoviev?” “Well, you see, Trotsky and Zinoviev are Yehudim,” an old Jew explained with Talmudic intonation; “do they deserve praise for helping their own? But Lenin is a goi (Gentile). So you can understand why we bless him.” We too felt grateful that the goi had at least one saving grace in his régime.

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Dung_Buffalo t1_j3b7xwz wrote

It should be noted that only the red and black armies actually stopped pogroms. The greens, and especially the whites, were horrific and essentially were the precursors to the SS in their behavior.

It's no wonder so many former whites (and probably greens though I'm less familiar with any of their exiles after the war) joined the next Nazis as a foreign legion. It was like that with many such groups, the Lithuanians stick out in this regard. Nationalists today try to paint the nazi collaborators, including Stepan Bandera (oooh spooky scary, a putinbot saying mean things about Bandera) as just patriots who took help to "liberate" their lands from anyone who offered, and so pinched their noses and sided with the Nazis. This was not the case, they were enthusiastic mass murderers. Not just of Jews but of poles and anyone who happened to be a minority in their lands, as well as many of their own people.

Any attempt to make the reds and blacks equivalent to the whites and greens is a similar level of historical revisionism, I hate to say. It was not "pretty much everyone" doing these pogroms, it was almost entirely the whites and greens. Any time it did happen among the reds and blacks it was severely punished. There is a reason that millions of formerly apolitical peasants wound up siding with the communists, the whites arriving in your town was a horror.

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katamuro t1_j3dn76n wrote

this is really something a lot of people don't know, don't bother to know and try actively to distance themselves from knowing that Bandera was an actual real nazi who murdered people before WW2 based on his nazi views and then in the war the organisation that he was a leader of helped and participated german nazis kill jews in both the western ukraine and poland. So any glorification of this guy by ukrainains clearly say that they are nazis.

What would we call someone who glorified Hitler or Gimmler or that nazi propaganda guy? A nazi.

And people really underestimate the level of sheer horror that was the revolution, civil war and then ww2. The people who lived through it had fought for their lives for years from almost every side. They fought against germans, the white army, the international helpers of the white army, japanese.

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Attygalle t1_j3b5bf8 wrote

Reminds me of China where the great CCP let the KMT and local warlords do all the fighting against the Japanese in WWII only to backstab them when the war was basically won and then “win” the civil war. It’s a very effective tactic.

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Loves_His_Bong t1_j3b97jy wrote

The CCP did not “backstab” the Kuomintang lmao. And the red army had 60,000 thousand soldiers compared to the KMTs 2 million. The terms of the United front stipulated as much that the CCP was responsible for Guerilla warfare and sabotage operations against the Japanese.

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CaptainDaveomedes t1_j3bagcy wrote

If there was backstabbing it was from the KMT about-facing on their first United Front and tried to massacre all the Communists. Then a second United Front had to be FORCED on Chiang Kai-Shek by his own command structure because he obsessively overcommited to fighting the CPC over the Japanese.

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