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Amazing-Key-1575 t1_j5s5iji wrote

I am not asking this to discredit the images or challenge their veracity but looking at them after spending a few weeks playing around with AI image generators…how do we know nowadays if something is a real “historic” image?

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Geek-Haven888 OP t1_j5s5zlt wrote

They are physical negatives from the 1940s

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Amazing-Key-1575 t1_j5sdnxm wrote

Ya, I don’t mean the real physical negatives. I mean digital representations of them.

I haven’t done it yet, but now I will - copy a description of one of the images and put it in an ai image gen + “photographic negative 1940’s archival scan hyper-realistic aged military dust” or something along those lines. If the image doesn’t have people in it I bet one can make a pretty convincing digital image of a physical negative.

this is obviously going to be an issue in the future, so I dunno why people are so upset I’m asking

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SyphiliticPlatypus t1_j5s616m wrote

Good overall intellectual question but curious why, out of any myriad number of reddit posts with pictures and videos, that this specific set of photos are the ones that made you raise the question of veracity?

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Amazing-Key-1575 t1_j5sct8q wrote

Because the first photo I saw in the article without people looked similar to pictures I’ve autogenerated. I’ve mostly been generating prompts like “archival scanned military photograph 1942 Bavaria leaked photograph photorealistic [etc…convoluted phrases]” and it often generates black & white photographs that I imagine if done with more iterations and intentional keywords look like this. This also was what showed up on my feed. I literally say I am not challenging the photos in this post, I am curious. It could have been a picture of anything & I would’ve commented the same. Holy hell people read into things looking at the downvotes. Isn’t this a legitimate question we should be asking nowadays? You’ve seen all the UAP news. With as many fakes coming out about contemporary things now I wonder about how we will trust historical images.

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phd2k1 t1_j5sffud wrote

There are a lot of Holocaust deniers in the world. It may not have been your intention, but you effectively came into a thread about the Holocaust, saying “how do we know these pictures are real?”. You shouldn’t be surprised that people were put off by your question.

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Ts4EVER t1_j5s9kbz wrote

At present such historical photos would be impossible to fake since the AI can't get uniform or weapon details right that an expert would know about.

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Amazing-Key-1575 t1_j5sd7wo wrote

Thank you for actually answering my question instead of downvoting me because you are reading between the lines. This is what I wanted to know.

Do you think AI will be able to do this soon though? Or a combo of AI & photoshop could trick most people right? How could one be sure? Is there any forensic photographic test that can be done?

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