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Adonisbb t1_j5s7me9 wrote

Reply to comment by SherbertEquivalent66 in A firefighter's 1943 photos of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising have been found by Geek-Haven888

Polish-Jewish defenders, then. Their nationality was Polish.

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Seienchin88 t1_j5sxqyx wrote

No, not all. Many jews from other occupied territories and even Germany had been transferred to the Ghetto already after prior purges made room.

Its all freaking depressing but its nice to know at least some got away thanks to Polish help.

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raltoid t1_j5t3u0c wrote

Over a quarter of them were Polish, but something like 90% of those were not from Warzaw.

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singularineet t1_j5v51j9 wrote

The Poles did not, at the time, consider the Jews to be True Poles. Look at what happened to Jews who tried to return to their homes in Poland after the war to see an example. Plus, the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto were not all from Poland.

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SherbertEquivalent66 t1_j5wqh5s wrote

Also, Jews who tried to join Polish partisans to fight against the Nazis were mostly refused.

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SherbertEquivalent66 t1_j5s7y6g wrote

Ok. I was just pointing out that both the Poles and the Nazis emphasized that distinction.

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bobrobor t1_j5saub2 wrote

Most Poles did no such thing.

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ATNinja t1_j5smtvf wrote

Do you think Poland in the 40s was not extremely anti-semitic?

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FlipaFlapa t1_j5so78o wrote

Poland is historically one of the least anti-semitic nations in Europe. They’ve had a sizable integrated population of Polish-Jewish people for many hundreds of years straight

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ATNinja t1_j5somyw wrote

Poland was extremely anti semitic in the 40s and refused to allow their deported jews back to their homes from Siberia and the camps after ww2.

According to wikipedia, there were 3000 jews in Poland in 2010, hardly a sizeable population.

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QikPlays t1_j5sos5b wrote

Yes, because a lot of them died during the holocaust…

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ATNinja t1_j5spgtx wrote

And the ones that survived were not welcome back, because Poland didn't like their jews either.

There are more jews today in Germany, Austria, Italy, Denmark, Belarus, Ukraine, Romania, hungary...

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Vuko__ t1_j5sptwl wrote

"And the ones that survived were not welcome back, because Poland" was under soviet occupation for the next ~50 years

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QikPlays t1_j5sqb8t wrote

Poland had a population of around 3.5 million Jews before WW2, of those around 90% were wiped out by the Nazis. If it was as antisemitic as you seem to think it was, that population would have never grown so large.

Now unfortunately, right after one antisemitic regime was toppled, a second replaced it. The cult of Stalin, the Soviets. Communist Poland was a puppet state that was forced into carrying out Stalin’s policies, a lot of which were incredibly anti semitic. However that regime also eventually fell, leaving modern Poland to govern itself.

There isn’t a huge population of Jews anymore because of the tragedies during the 20th century, a lot of people don’t immigrate to Poland Jewish or not, so it’s not surprising the population hasn’t risen. People are far more likely to leave Poland instead

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HiddenLordGhost t1_j5ssvx5 wrote

Okay, so lol - no. It was not.

We had this little thing that can amount to pretty much occupation by USSR called PRL, that next to no one will defend on the ground we "decided for ourselves".

Before war it had one of the biggest amount of Jewish citizenry in the world, and a lot of our bigger cities had pretty sizeable influence left behind by some. Łódź is one for example, lol.

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bobrobor t1_j5tsw6f wrote

After WW2 those decisions were made by the Soviet Union not the Polish “government.”

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bobrobor t1_j5tspga wrote

I KNOW it was not. I had family there that often discussed the subject. Sure there were racists like in any other country, but significantly smaller percentage that anywhere else in Europe. There is a reason why Polish names figure prominently here .

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zdrozda t1_j5suqnv wrote

Yeah, we did. Just like with all the other nationalities. It wasn't necessarily a bad thing, the second republic was incredibly diverse.

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djc1000 t1_j5siqcf wrote

Their nationality was Jewish. Their first language would have been Yiddish. Their citizenship was polish.

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WhiskerTwitch t1_j5svp7f wrote

>Their nationality was Jewish.

Not true. Their ethnicity and religion were Jewish. Their nationality/citizenship were Polish. No one's nationality was 'Jewish' then.

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