CzebarosIsLife t1_j6o21vr wrote on January 31, 2023 at 6:18 PM

Reply to comment by Tankgoboom23 in Medieval Mixed-Gender Fight Club: Behold Images from a 15th-Century Fighting Manual by ArtOak

Hans Talhoffers fencing manual states, that is forbidden that the combatants are closer than a relation in the fifth degree (Item wenn zween mann gesinnt sind biß uff die fünffte sipp oder näher die mügent durch recht nit mit ein ander kempfen und des müssn siben man schwern die die vatter und muotter halb mäge sind - Talhoffer 1459, Page 9 recto) Therefore a fight between wife and husband is not shown in this document and probably illegal.

Tankgoboom23 t1_j6o5lny wrote on January 31, 2023 at 6:39 PM

Thanks for the full run down. I don't understand too much of the German wording lol

CzebarosIsLife t1_j6oau7x wrote on January 31, 2023 at 7:12 PM

I can translate it for you, If you want to.

Tankgoboom23 t1_j6ofnoj wrote on January 31, 2023 at 7:41 PM

If you have the time I'd love that!

palomageorge t1_j6osd5f wrote on January 31, 2023 at 9:00 PM

Doesn’t this only relate to “Sippschaft” meaning being paternal blood relatives? I don’t see why this excludes spouses, a wife would still be considered a part of her own paternal “Sippe”. My Frühneuhochdeutsch is a bit rusty though.

CzebarosIsLife t1_j6oxkbs wrote on January 31, 2023 at 9:32 PM

I was thinking that a women would be part of heir husbands "sippe" when they marry, but I may be wrong. But independently of that, the text dosen't mention that this is a fight between a wife and a husband.

CzebarosIsLife t1_j6ovn0e wrote on January 31, 2023 at 9:20 PM

And further If two men are fifth degree or closer in relation they are forbidden by right to fight each other (in a trial by Combat). 7 men from the fathers or mothers side have to swear for this.