Just picked up a Gen 2 off of ebay. It's bulky, awkward, and I don't understand why the average person needs such a big screen (unless perhaps you have an astigmatism or similar). Want to play video games? Get a Nintendo Switch. Watch movies? Get a much bigger screen with an ipad rather than carrying around a clunky awkward phone. Edit spreadsheets? Use your computer. I can appreciate that some people are editing docs on the go, but is that that many people?

Sad an actual intelligently designed phone has gone out of style.

Wonder sometimes if there's some kind of overcompensation thing going on with these bigger phones. I just don't see most people using them in any practical sense that outweighs the fact of how awkward it is in your pocket and in your hands. Join me down the rabbit hole...

I have astigmatism, so larger phones work better for me. That said, I miss the smaller form factor iPhones. The 5s was as close to perfect as you could get.

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Interesting how you extrapolate your experience to be the “dimensions of the human hand”.

IPhone SE Gen1 was objectively designed to fit your hand (dimensions of your hand). That's not an opinion; it's a fact. And I'm not the only one to make that observation. Go and research it. The designers have talked through their process and the reasoning behind it. Thank you though for your brilliant contribution.

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It's not an extrapolation. The human hand has certain ratio/dimensions. What made you conclude that that was an extrapolation? I'm curious.

Right.. totally agree with you. I wonder if this bigger phone thing didn't start with Samsung as an obvious counter to the original iPhone (and everyone's reasonable assumption that bigger is always better). Of course also helps sell cases.

Surprised by how defensive others are getting about this, lol.

Well my hand is big enough to use the 14 pro without any of the awkwardness you describe in your post. I can reach the top of the screen with my thumb and only using one hand.

Does your hand have some weird shape the rest of us aren't aware of?

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No, I just bought a huge phone. And I hate it.. So awkward!

I miss my iPhone SE Gen1. ;(

Please say a prayer for me u/Zestyclose89

I got tired of my big pixel 6 and went with a iPhone 13 mini. Since Apple claims they’re not going to make anymore mini’s I thought I would probably go with an SE next time. But now Apple claims the next SE in 2024 will be like the iPhone X or XR. I’m so disappointed. We’re in a minority.

Yea, I feel ya. That 13 mini seemed pretty popular too.

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People usually just buy what other people are buying (social pressure). Helps sell $50 protective cases and ever more expensive phones (at your expense!). People's minds can change. Thank you again though for your contribution.

You don't know what people care about, and it's laughable to jump to the conclusion you have. Maybe they care more about fitting in? Maybe they get sold by the marketing? Recommend limiting your assumptions. This is a good practice to win more arguments.

I remember when Apple originally went to the 16:9 aspect ratio on their phones and they made a marketing video saying it “fits your hand” or some other bullshit. Thing is, it was and still is marketing. Ergonomic design when dealing with hands is not a one size fits all approach and peoples hands are different sizes. Don’t buy into the marketing from any company.

True that. Making me think of original xbox controllers.. lol

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Most likely because of battery life with more powerful processors.

I just find it hard to believe most people are taking advantage of that extra processing power. Surely some are. Unfortunately there's no hard evidence one way or the other. I don't personally see a noteworthy number of people playing graphically intense games or running large, sophisticated computations on their smart phones. Most are playing very basic games, streaming Netflix, and/or swiping on Tinder. lol

Battery life... okay. I have a big power pack for that. You really just need the battery to get you through the day (and power pack suffices for traveling).

I figure that this all started with the launch of the original Samsung Galaxy Note. It had a 5.3 inch screen, which was considered massive.

Yea, a good observation. It was an easy way to immediately differentiate and pull over some business. Can understand the tactic.

Their username has nothing to do with statistics. Your name is literally about a woman having large hands.

It's very easy to tell what people care about, considering the 6.1 and 6.7 inch iPhones sell far better than the 5.4 and 4.7 ones do. Same story with Samsung and every other brand. People like big screens.

Whooooooosh!

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Is that your argument for invalidating my comments on statistics?

Lol, please explain more. Eagerly await your response.

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Apparently you're not. Great comeback!

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> Apple claims the next SE in 2024 will be like the iPhone X or XR

Apple isn’t “claiming” anything of the sort! It’s what the rumors are saying. And they may be right. But it sure as shit isn’t Apple saying anything about it.

Okay. Well there’s hope then.

I hope they’ll have smaller ones again in the future. With a disability affecting my reach and the strength of my hand I really can’t use those big phones. It’s an accessibility issue.

In recent times the small phones released have not achieved sales levels expected so doubt we will get many more. Maybe we might get a foldable phone some day.

It's actually not.. lol. In fact, not even close. You seem to have a hard time wrapping your head around what an assumption is. When someone buys a phone, you know nothing more than that they bought a phone. Implying that you somehow know their mind and what they care about is absurd. Once again, you're not going to win an argument with someone by making more assumptions than they are (just as a general rule of thumb).

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Yea.. hope it comes back. I've noticed businesses are pitching tvs to sell "bigger", "better" too more than ever. I was looking for a 42" recently and it was in the smallest size category (an obvious subconscious hint to buy bigger). Part of it is the engagement of course, which is almost hypnotic with digital displays and therefore good for business.

Lock those eyes on the screen.. right. Another mosquito flies into the light.

Yeah 42 in tv is for when your doing a #2 in the bathroom now. My 55in feels small now so will throw that in the bedroom and get a projector at some point.

Anyway small phones are gone sadly. I wanted one myself as a travel phone

lol, good point. Have you noticed the larger screens are literally harder to pull your eyes away from (involuntarily)? Have such a gravity to them.

I'm assuming because they stimulate the visual cortex so much (and that's such a large part of your brain, from what I understand). Totally guessing.

Would have to acknowledge that in earlier times stimulating the cortex like that would almost certainly involve a lot of physical activity (you, in motion). Not the case anymore with these massive digital displays.. all those lights dancing around.

I think it’s about immersion. Recreating or bettering cinema immersion in the comfort of your own home that you don’t have to dress up in. Just sit there in your jimmyjams and let go of the world outside

Do you have an actual counter-argument or did you just come in here to bully me, and suggest I'm "living under a rock" because you disagree with something I say? You seem like a coward that ran away because he couldn't think up a counter-argument.

Look forward to more of your unbelievably obvious commentary!

Careful though man. Think up something a little more intelligent this time.

I want a challenge! ;-)

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No, thank you brother. Quoting statistics is, according to you, "outrageous overgeneralization". Did you have a hard time with math in school?

I appreciate that you came in here to bully me, but you're not going to win and it's certainly not something I admire. If you have an actual scientific argument to make, please share it. I've never encountered someone though so obliviously throwing around terms like "generalization" without understanding their meaning.

If you'd like, you can DM me and I'll share some resources.

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Lol, you got emo. Thanks for signaling my victory. :-)

Anytime you want tips, send me a DM.

Once again, thank you for showing your true colors and attempting to bully people on this subreddit. We're all so impressed.

Is it okay if I screenshot this?

This guy is such a jabrone!

Hey everyone, OP has man hands! Lulz

I bet OP is probably gonna eat a pastrami sandwich and watch some Seinfeld tonight

How did you know?! ;-)

You're a jabrone bro! ... Jabrone!

.. Bro!

Oh man! That’s a knee slapper!

I’m horny and lonely

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You know you're making your point when the downvote to actual counter-arguments ratio is so high - in fact, as high as it is here. Thank you to the haters and bullies that jumped in, many of whom have since swiftly deleted their personal attacks (presumably embarrassed).

I hope this remains a place where people can freely express themselves. I am an iPhone fan and will continue to be. I bought the original iPhone and iPod Mini before that. I've also had the larger iPhone models over the years. But I don't appreciate being attacked because I don't favor an iPhone 14 or in some other manner am not toting the company line. I noticed the weak trend to flood these types of posts at the same time in the hope of overwhelming the original poster. Their arguments are usually rather tame and often littered with logical fallacies and poor comprehension. When they hit any resistance, they abandon thread and jump to the next. I hope more people can express their opinions (however unmarketable!) more freely without feeling threatened or suddenly outcast. If that's the vibe, it's not something I want to be a part of.

It was an iPhone 5 basically

Yeaaa... long story short.

Negative 2? lol. Who is downvoting this?

If I'm wrong, why can't you make an argument?

Assume I just get downvoted to hell at this point..

Can't see another outcome (3.7m people, yet no counter-argument). Bullies that came in first have already vanished (along with their "comments").

No one wants to talk to you because you’ve demonstrated repeatedly you can’t have a conversation. Any opposition to what you say is met with total dismissal. So attempting to converse with you is pointless.

That’s the most I’m going to reply to you, so don’t bother responding. I just thought you could benefit from at least hearing why you’re getting downvoted without response.

I know your first response to me would be “please specify which comments”, but you should be able to read your own comments and figure it out. The answer is almost all of your comments. Take the opportunity for some self reflection because that’s the most you’re going to get out of this thread at this point.

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You are the first coward I've come across that's too dumb to provide an example, and at the same time claims that's a ridiculous request. lol! Did you drop out of college or was it just not your thing? I appreciate the attempt to bully me but I think your time would be better spent elsewhere, imo. If you keep responding with dumb comments I will continue to embarrass you . Frankly, you're making it too easy.

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Ok, just for the record (for readers), this is not an extrapolation. By definition. The poster (@Temetzcoatl) apparently does not understand the english language.. lol. The meaning of words is important, and I would encourage more people to research this. I don't see any of these bullies on r/iphone attacking Leonardo's "Renaissance man", and claiming that there are no meaningful observations (or measurements) about the human body because some people are taller than others... lol. Yet you see the same borderline slow reasoning posted here, obviously from people that struggle with even the most basic logic.

I am still waiting for u/Temetzcoatl to explain how this is an "extrapolation", and I wait anxiously insofar as that is literally impossible. He's got an iPhone 14 PRO though (and a stamp for us all to know!) so apparently he's a big deal. Shame on the rest of us. :/

Now I would expect all sorts of slow counter-arguments, mostly fallacious in nature... things about oh I'm not this or that (strawman arguments). I don't think you'll find one actually intelligent counter-argument, but that's just my opinion. After all, this poster apparently has an iPhone 14 Pro, so obviously he's better than I am.

It's obviously fed his ego, and he's more than comfortable subjugating and putting down others. We're left to wonder what insecurities he may be entertaining, and while I think I have a good comprehension, I'm not going to lay that out here. I do hope he learns to make it not quite so obvious.

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To extrapolate is to take known quantities (e.g. your experience with the iPhone 6.1 inch size) and apply them to unknown quantities (the general experience of the general population of iPhone users).

You complain about how you have trouble reaching the top of the 6.1 inch screen, and that’s fine, that’s your experience. But you’re very dramatic about how they didn’t keep the dimensions of the human hand in mind when designing the 6.1 model. But human hands don’t have a definitive dimension (defined as measurements height, length, depth, etc). Sure, there is a certain range of common proportions (for instance, your thumb is probably not longer than your middle finger), but you’re not talking proportions. You specifically said dimensions.

And I don’t care to have a whole debate about whether one is right or wrong. You have users here mentioning that since the sales for 6.1 and 6.7 inch size options for smartphones tends to outpace the sales for the smaller devices you’re begging for, it can be assumed that those 6.1 and 6.7 devices are more popular.

You keep trying to pull people into debating whether one is right or wrong or correct or better. But this is a discussion board, not a debate team. I don’t think anyone here really cares or has an opinion as to which is objectively better. We all just know what’s better for /us/ as individual users. And that’s what we are all commenting on, more or less. But you’re taking everything as a personal hit. Every downvote as a judge of your character. But fake internet points don’t matter.

And as far as those who are resorting to name calling (yourself included, calling mr cock and balls a “big boy” quite sarcastically), there’s really no need.

It’s all a waste of time. None of this matters. Keep chatting away to yourself. You’re making yourself look like a fool by visiting and revisiting this post after no one has responded to you.

And yes, I flaired that I have a 14 pro. But it doesn’t matter, six weeks ago my flair said XR. I don’t think it makes me better than anyone. I have my flair so that when I comment or post in this subreddit, people can see what my experiences are based on. We get you’re unhappy with the offerings. But that doesn’t mean that everyone else is, too.

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You gonna get your mob crew to downvote this?

That's what I thought.. lol, silence.

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The concept of dimensions ties in with proportions, so I'm not sure what point you're making. Of course I am aware of what extrapolation means, but thank you. The very fact that you post the definition (lol) suggests to me that that either went completely over your head or in fact you and others are the ones extrapolating all the while suggesting that I am. And of course the latter's the case.

The fact remains that there are avg dimensions (and yes, by extension, proportions!) to the human hand. Given that, it seems reasonable we may have an intelligent conversation about designing a mobile device meant to fit in your hand. The fact of random fanboys, some of whom like you have exhibited bullying behavior (what a surprise) coming in here and telling me that it doesn't fit their hand is irrelevant, or that I am somehow talking in terms of "extrapolation" when I speak of statistical averages. I'm really not sure where you're getting lost.

To put it more plainly, the SE Gen1 fit better in more people's hands. Yes, because of the dimensions of the avg hand. And yes, because of the proportions of the avg hand. The definition of proportion follows from dimension (it's a ratio of measurments). If human hands somehow had the same proportions but there was nothing meaningful we could say about their average size (statistically speaking) then you would have a point. But that's not the reality, and I certainly hope you're not suggesting it is. The avg iphone user cannot use an iphone 14 in one hand comfortably or such that they can reach the entire screen. The thumb cannot swipe (in right hand) from bottom left to top right. Does that mean no one can do it? Of course not.. that much is obvious. But again, stop literally doing what you claim I'm doing (extrapolating rather than speaking in terms of statistical averages) and then claiming that somehow refutes my logic. It doesn't. You came in here to attack/ridicule me with your comment - an obvious strawman. And it didn't work out. If you can intelligently refute the arguments above.. go for it. Unless you're going to come up with new definitions for these words or somehow change how science works (you know, basic math), I don't imagine you're going to have much success.

>You have users here mentioning that since the sales for 6.1 and 6.7 inch size options for smartphones tends to outpace the sales for the smaller devices you’re begging for, it can be assumed that those 6.1 and 6.7 devices are more popular.

I agree with you here.. that is literally the definition of "popular". Yet again though, I'm not sure what point you're making. I did suggest a truth to another poster, which was that people purchasing things doesn't tell you why they're purchasing them. That would be making assumptions. And when you make assumptions, you make mistakes.

I agree with you though that, yes, by definition a thing that is in greater demand is "more popular". So high five there.