They are pretty good. Only issue is the rubber can stretch out if you have tight pockets but you could shrink it back by boiling it in a pot of water. They also are pretty bulky but that is a good sacrifice for protection imo. You can get open box ones way below msrp on eBay. Got one for my 12 mini for $18 and the only issue is the packaging was in poor condition. Case looked like it never was on a phone.