Submitted by Jalohann t3_zyqk3c in iphone

Background:

I am currently daily driving an iPhone 14 Pro Max that I primarily use on Mint Mobile in the United States. When I received this phone, the process of transferring my SIM from my 13 Pro to an eSIM was relatively easy.

I downloaded the Mint app from the App Store, logged into my account, and followed the prompts in the settings menu of the app to download and configure my eSIM.

Once I downloaded the eSIM, my physical SIM in my 13 Pro automatically deregistered and I was all done. Everything from SMS to data worked perfectly.

My Situation in India:

Recently, I left the United States to fly to India to visit family. Historically, the process of landing here and getting a SIM card has been stressful, albeit, straightforward. Here, government regulations make getting a prepaid SIM card quite difficult, but once you get the SIM, it’s pretty easy to keep active and it works relatively seamlessly (I just tend to lose the SIM card whenever I return to the states so I have always opted to getting a new one).

This time, however, I knew I would have trouble.

The first thing I did the day after landing was drive to the Airtel store (big carrier here in India). Airtel has exceptional coverage, good data speeds (5G!), and great prices. Furthermore, their customer support is second to none compared to their largest competitor, Jio, and they just tend to work better in the more rural areas I tend to travel to.

Upon walking in the store, I completed all the required government paperwork, took the mandatory photos, and signed off all the documents (all of this is required to prevent terrorism, financial fraud, etc.), I was ready to activate my SIM.

I handed over my iPhone 14 Pro Max to the individual taking care of me, and he immediately groaned. After a short dialogue he had with his co-worker, they both turned to me and stated I was going to need to use another phone to activate the SIM and manually undergo the eSIM activation for me to be able to use my preferred phone (my iPhone 14 PM).

With no other options available to me, I reluctantly activated my new SIM in my Pixel 7 Pro, and left the store. On the drive home, I attempted to perform the eSIM activation steps which I presumed would take no time at all.

Oh how wrong I was.

Let’s take a step back:

In India, due to the high number of financial frauds, reliance on OTPs (one time pins via SMS), and general high level of cybercrime, anything involving phone numbers, SIM cards, or porting in/out requires multiple layers of security.

This situation called for those layers.

For starters, having to go into the store to activate the SIM, bring personal documents such as my Aadhaar card (sorta similar to a social security card), and then take a variety of photos is just down right annoying.

moving on!

To initiate an eSIM transfer on Airtel, one needs to text the following to 121.

eSIM <email address>

After doing this, you’re supposed to receive a secondary phone call that confirms you are attempting to convert your physical SIM to an eSIM.

After that, you are supposed to then receive a QR code that allows you to add the eSIM to your device.

As you can probably guess, none of this happened to me.

pain.

When I sent the SMS to 121, I was told my email needed to be updated and verified before I could initiate an eSIM conversion. Not a big deal I thought to myself, I will just download the Airtel app and manually update the email.

Unfortunately, Airtel doesn’t allow prepaid users to update their email from the app, or via the EMAILUPDATE text to 121.

So my only options were to A) call 121 and sit on hold until a customer support representative could help me or B) DM Airtel support on Twitter.

I chose B

Twitter support was excellent. They were able to verify my info (address, birth date, etc.), and start the process to change my email.

Here’s the kicker. This process takes 24 hours.

That meant for 24 hours, if I didn’t have another phone with me, I would be without a phone and reliant on my SIM being in someone else’s phone (likely a family member, but regardless, that’s ludicrous) in another country.

24 hours later, I received an SMS asking me to confirm the email process, to which I confirmed that yes, I did indeed want to update my email.

12 hours later, I finally got the confirmation my email was up to date. Then, I was finally allowed to send the eSIM text and follow the steps I outlined above.

Fortunately, this process worked relatively seamlessly. Everything seemed to work properly and I ran into little to no issues until the eSIM installed and I received an SMS on my Pixel.

Yeah, I received an SMS on my phone with my physical SIM I was trying to deactivate. You read that correctly.

The SMS stated it would then take 2 hours for my physical SIM to deactivate, and that all incoming and outgoing SMS would be barred for 24 hours for security reasons.

3 days later, I am writing this post from my iPhone 14 Pro Max on Airtel using their eSIM. I just got SMS service reinstated, and everything is working, including 5G and WiFi calling.

now get this plot twist:

I had to do this process three times. One for my phone, and then twice for my parents.

Conclusion:

Apple simply shouldn’t have removed the physical SIM tray. The world isn’t ready for eSIM, and I simply refuse to blame Airtel.

While I believe Airtel’s situation could be handled by the government loosening their regulations, I can see it may be necessary for these safeguards to be in place, and their customer support was nothing but sympathetic, and even went as far as they could to expedite the process on my parents devices.

Thanks for reading! I didn’t think this would go so long, but /r/ApolloApp ’s post editor and the haptics on iOS 16’s keyboard are addictive and make writing beautiful reddit posts surprisingly fun!

TL:DR it took me three days in a different country to get my iphone 14 pro max to work on a local carrier via eSIM when it took me only 12 hours to get my pixel to work properly with a physical SIM

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Cheap-Finance5580 t1_j27eav5 wrote

Jio allows for eSIM activations directly, you could have saved yourself all this headache. No need to transfer SIM cards.

Not sure about service quality tho

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Jalohann OP t1_j27eo2o wrote

i did read that on their website. unfortunately, Jio doesn’t work in the areas i travel to very well, and airtel just fits my situation better

plus, jios network has a variety of issues with blocking stuff unnecessarily, and just being poorly configured overall.

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Adventurous-Tracks t1_j27fo1m wrote

What a mess! Between the paperwork and the eSIM situation if I find myself going to India anytime soon I’ll just use my plan’s included international roaming and hope they don’t shut me off for using too much!

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EScootyrant t1_j27m63j wrote

I’m running on a Mint Sim as well, just like OP. Nearly pulled the trigger for a 14 PM last Oct.

Coming from an 8 Plus PR (I still have it, my back up; a keeper). Am still a firm believer of a physical SIM. That is why I prefer (after weighing the Pros vs Cons between the two) and went for a mint year old 13 PM instead (vs a new 14 PM). The 13 PM is just perfect for my yearly international travels.

With both physical SIM and eSIM abilities, the 13 PM is more versatile than the sole eSIM 14 PM. Removing the physical SIM from the 14 PM was a cost cutting measure for the US market (many fail to realize). Apple didn’t raise prices for the iPhone in the US as they claim..but of course, there’s gotta be a “trade off” somewhere (removing the physical SIM feature)..

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iamscript t1_j27pj4f wrote

If you want to get a new sim for every trip, Jio might be better. Their process to get eSim at least in Mumbai is super-smooth. Although, they too have their arbitrary rules too - eg: They won't let you change eSims unless you're physically in India.

I'm also a bit surprised you can't add the email address while creating the account. Might be some extra work to get their agent to do this, but might be worth the hassle if it saves you the 2 days.

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xShinGouki t1_j27slcb wrote

I would of just left my iPhone at home. Who cares lol take the pixel 7 pro and that’s it. Good pictures. It’s just a phone to connect with

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Jalohann OP t1_j27t1gh wrote

the agent takes multiple days as well. I was able to confirm this by trying it for my parents, they just expedite the process by initiating the process on the phone rather than hours after.

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xShinGouki t1_j27t9rg wrote

Ya I got one now instead of the 14 because the 13 pro max is the true goat it’s the device everyone talks about even today. Battery is truly insane. I’ve been using it so much and haven’t charged it yet going on the second day basically. Crazy iPhone 14 max is close but not as long lasting as the 13 pro max

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humanshitcrazy t1_j28285d wrote

You probably didn’t talk to the person in charge to just activate the sim on his personal device. Could have saved a lot of headache

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shrinathmukund t1_j28387p wrote

Hi I am running a 14 pro max as my daily and running an eSIM from day 1 I got my regular SIM converted to an eSIM and the process was relatively easy by the way I am using JIO and I am from Tamil Nadu India

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Admirable_Ad6231 t1_j28czw3 wrote

I read about Airalo sometime ago , you can just download an eSim from them.

Of course, the plans are super expensive compared to what we get in India on any major carrier, but going through your post sounds like it's worth avoiding the hassle.

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dbosman t1_j28j91k wrote

Because I was able to, I got the Canadian version of the 14 Pro because it does have both a physical SIM tray and an eSIM. What you went through is exactly why I went this route, even though the Canadian iPhones are a bit more expensive. I travel internationally often enough and just don’t trust the world is totally ready for seamless eSIM set up just yet.

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aurorium t1_j28rcbw wrote

This story is exactly why I am keeping my iPhone 13 mini until they release a new physical SIM phone or it becomes easier to travel with eSIM. This is the first time in 13 years I'm not upgrading. The world isn't ready yet and Apple made a decision that adversely affects people who travel.

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Clessiah t1_j2912gb wrote

What it really meant is that if other carrier has no problem setting up an esim on the spot while following the same regulations set by the same government, the hardships you have encountered have more to do with Airtel itself.

The issue is not with you picking Airtel but with Airtel being too slow at adopting esim, especially so in a country where authentication via phone and message is commonplace.

Out of curiosity, do physical sim all come with PIN code over there?

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shywreck t1_j292tvq wrote

I got my 14PM from US ... Was worried that JIO wouldn't go smooth ..but to my surprise..it's super smooth ..it took 2 hours or soo but started working..didn't even need to go to showroom..

N btw for esim to physical sim back ..took around 1 hour ..had to visit showroom..but still smooth ..

Location - Maharashtra

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wgc123 t1_j293iud wrote

What a painful process! Could you have initiated any f it before traveling?

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redflee t1_j29ccnl wrote

Did you consider just using WhatsApp ?

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Sylvurphlame t1_j29gln2 wrote

I get that if your 14PM had a physical SIM tray, you could’ve have avoided that hassle. But I can’t shake the feeling that about 99% of that is just overregulation and bureaucratic inefficiency. As well as that carriers specific rules.

Edit: how long should Apple have held out on pure eSIM, in your opinion? Serious, respectful question

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Lunafreya_NoxF t1_j2brr72 wrote

> Apple simply shouldn’t have removed the physical SIM tray. The world isn’t ready for eSIM, and I simply refuse to blame Airtel.

Well Apple didn’t! I mean, it did, in the USA which is ready.

But it didn’t in India.

Now if you take a US Model there then you might or might not have issues.

Why didn’t you just use your Pixel for the days you would be with your family?

Btw, I live in a third world country and we don’t have issues with eSIM. After Apple announced the eSIM-only iPhone and considering many people import their iPhones here…the big carriers got in the game right on.

I’m guessing the made for India iPhone has a SIM tray?

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