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BuySignificant522 t1_j7ugz22 wrote

Apple wouldn’t be caught dead in that mall

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well_damm t1_j7uo913 wrote

Seems like a huge AP risk that isn’t worth it.

Majority are conditioned to already take the commute into the city and make their purchases there.

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cC2Panda t1_j7v8d2m wrote

There is also an Apple Store in WTC. I think it would actually take me more time to go to the mall then to just go to WTC. Though sales tax is lower in NJ which on Apple is not inconsequential.

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ddhboy t1_j7w1ic4 wrote

They opened an Apple Store at American Dream, which honestly kills the prospect of an Apple Store opening anywhere closer in Hudson County. Close enough from a driving perspective that they'll figure that people in Jersey City/Hoboken are probably either going to go to American Dream or WTC. Better to just have the mini-shop in Best Buy, really.

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bodhipooh t1_j7ugtv7 wrote

It's a subpar mall, with nothing in it that caters to the demographic that would spur Apple to open a location there. Not one high end store in that mall. It is very much a basic, middling mall.

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objectimpermanence t1_j7uwph1 wrote

Nowadays, Apple is practically a mass market brand disguised as a luxury brand.

Anyways, Queens Center has an Apple Store even though it’s a low/mid-tier mall.

If anything, Newport has more going for it considering it’s surrounded by some of the highest income census tracts in Hudson county. For example, the median household income in the Powerhouse area is over $200k. Meanwhile, Queens Center is in a solidly blue collar/middle class area.

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Xciv t1_j7vry0p wrote

Newport Mall is surrounded by money. Newport itself is a wealthy area. Hamilton Park to the west. Hoboken to the north. Downtown JC to the south. The light rail makes it accessible to more working class neighborhoods. The PATH station being the intersection point between the lines to midtown and downtown manhattan makes it accessible to commuters.

Honestly I expect it to be one of the last malls to close in America. The location is too good and it will probably remain profitable for a long time.

The American Dream mall wishes it had such a juicy location. That place feels like a ghost town every time I've been there.

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kulgan t1_j7wfbzh wrote

It's kind of a nightmare to walk to from any direction. Driving around here is bad.

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nk1 t1_j7xezx0 wrote

Marin's the only difficult part. It's an easy walk otherwise.

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According_Bee_945 t1_j7vaan2 wrote

Tell me about it 30k in property tax a year & I live in downtown Jersey City all my life

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Ezl t1_j7uudqn wrote

Agree regarding apple, but in a way in think malls like Newport may be more successful in the long run than “destination” malls.

Mall traffic generally has been declining for a while but, due to its location, Newport is really a combination of traditional mall and local neighborhood shopping in a fairly convenient (and walkable) location. I wonder if that will help them overcome the problems higher-end malls that require a “special trip” suffer from.

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objectimpermanence t1_j7vstn3 wrote

The high-end, “special trip” malls are doing the best. Upper income people are doing better than ever and they still want to buy luxury goods like Louis Vuitton bags in person.

It’s the lower and mid-tier malls that are struggling. The middle class is getting squeezed and people are happy to shift their spending to online shopping in search of deals.

I agree that Newport seems to be doing fairly well for itself. And I think the fact that it’s in a walkable area with good transit access is a big part of that.

But it will be interesting to see what happens if/when Newport loses its anchor tenants (Sears, JCPenny, & Macy’s). Those anchor tenants occupy huge spaces that are hard to re-lease.

Vacant anchor spaces are a huge financial drag on a mall and if that happens at Newport it will probably spur the complete redevelopment of the mall into a more modern mixed used concept.

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bodhipooh t1_j7v7kw2 wrote

>I wonder if that will help them overcome the problems higher-end malls that require a “special trip” suffer from.

Meh... Neither Short Hills nor Riverside Square seem to be suffering much at all, and they are exactly the type of mall you describe higher-end which require a special trip. They keep attracting luxury brand stores that cater to an affluent demographic that is less affected by economic downturns. I very much doubt anyone (besides you) would agree that Newport is likely to be more successful in the long run than either one.

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Ezl t1_j7vee6n wrote

First of all, what drives mall failures isn’t the economy it’s the internet. Secondly, malls are closing nationally at a rapid pace regardless of your two examples. And third, I never compared Newport to either of those two, I (quite obviously) compared Newport to the malls that are failing nationwide.

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bodhipooh t1_j7votqq wrote

Yes, shitty malls all over the nation are closing down. High end malls are doing just fine.

>I (quite obviously) compared Newport to the malls that are failing nationwide.

Well, not so obviously... you literally wrote "I wonder if that will help them overcome the problems higher-end malls that require a “special trip” suffer from" - higher end malls are not shutting down. if you read past the click-bait headlines you would actually understand that the contraction in malls is happening to low- and mid-tier malls. What the industry calls/terms C and D malls, and to some extent also B-rated malls. A and A+ malls are doing fine and actually seeing growth and expansion. You are simply wrong, but sure... you were obviously comparing Newport to failing malls and not the higher-end ones that require a special trip and which are actually not failing.

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Ezl t1_j7wklhu wrote

Jesus. Reddit never fails at attracting idiots who will create an argument out of nothing.

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thebruns t1_j7v0iyw wrote

Apple is in basic, middling malls all over the country

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bodhipooh t1_j7v8fr2 wrote

Whenever I have come across an Apple Store in a basic mall it is usually because it is the ONLY viable location in the area/region, or it is taking advantage of a very specific feature. Like the Apple Store in the Eastview Mall in Rochester. There is no other place where it would make sense to open an Apple Store in that region. Or, like the North Star Mall in San Antonio, which is heavily patronized by Mexicans from the northern states that drive to SA (or, Houston) on weekends to shop in those cities.

The Newport mall doesn't have any special features to attract an Apple Store. And, has been pointed out many times over by a lot of people, there are many Apple stores (4+) in NYC within 10-30 minutes of DTJC.

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pixel_of_moral_decay t1_j7vahdm wrote

You’ve got to be kidding you think Apple is still a high end brand. At least the parts of it that are sold through the retail channel.

Apple saturated middle schools regardless of demographics with their products. It’s as mainstream as General Mills products.

Apple doesn’t sell the expensive stuff out of most retail stores anyway. The high end configs that cost money are online exclusives. Best you can do is walk over to a device and order online, then go home and wait for it.

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bodhipooh t1_j7vmtk7 wrote

I never claimed that they are a high end brand. They are a company that produces mass market products at a markup to reflect design and a certain image. But, they certainly cater to a demographic representative of high end brands. A full one third of Apple customers are from households earning 100K or above, which is well above the national average. On average, an Apple Store averages between 6 and 7 thousand per square foot. The second highest revenue per square foot retailer is Tiffany, at half the amount of Apple.

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pixel_of_moral_decay t1_j7vrkcg wrote

Those are very selectively manipulated stats chosen to make apple look like a reality distortion field.

Apple has few stores relative to sales. By far the biggest disparity for any consumer manufacturer. Of course they have more sales per square foot/per retail employee/etc etc.

Which is mainly because they don’t need retail sales. They opened stores primarily for service and training (Apples big push has always been the Genius Bar and classes), but tax wise and zoning wise you’re incentivized to be retail space nearly everywhere. Teaching boomers how to switch to a Mac literally made them billions.

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milespudgehalter t1_j7x5xcs wrote

Wasn't Coach there for a while?

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bodhipooh t1_j7zchmx wrote

Yup, it was years ago. Not sure what point you are trying to make, though... I wouldn't consider Coach as an upscale, high-end brand.

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milespudgehalter t1_j7zosnm wrote

Their non-outlet stores are definitely high end.

Newport has Swarovski as well, and Express which I'd call upper-middle class tier. The mall isn't fancy but I don't think I'd call it down market and working class to the extent people here are. Jersey Gardens and Woodbridge are the "working class" malls of the area moreso than Newport.

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bodhipooh t1_j7zyq0w wrote

>Newport has Swarovski as well, and Express which I'd call upper-middle class tier.

Yeah.. no. Absolutely no one knowledgeable thinks of Swarovski and Express as upper middle class stuff. AT ALL. None of these are upscale, high-end brands.

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WooliesWhiteLeg t1_j7u7ya5 wrote

Finally i won’t have to go to soho to buy my overpriced black cotton jeans.

I hate how much they cost but fuck if they aren’t the most comfortable pants I own

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DeepFriedAsses t1_j7ytqdh wrote

Aren’t they like $50?

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WooliesWhiteLeg t1_j7yw3y5 wrote

At the soho store they are like 65

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DeepFriedAsses t1_j7ywsrs wrote

That’s still a fine price for good jeans that don’t fall apart within a year. It’s a good value that’ll get even better without sales tax :D

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theflightofporter t1_j7u6o12 wrote

How is Newport now? It was pretty depressing last time I went

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WooliesWhiteLeg t1_j7u817m wrote

I went with the misses recently to buy some sneakers.

It was a fine. Just a mall ass mall

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NJ_Bus_Nut t1_j7ufd14 wrote

Went a few days ago, still a generic mall, nothing upscale here.

Sears is still open btw

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beta_pup t1_j7umjle wrote

It's the last brick and mortar Sears in NJ. I go in there every now and then. It's bleak.

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Economy-Cupcake808 t1_j88xqms wrote

Great place to find a deal on a new dishwasher, they were practically giving stuff away in there.

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oekel t1_j7ujrbl wrote

that’s wild to me… the clothing is spaced so far out, it’s like they can’t justify having the inventory to actually fill the space

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A_Downboat_Is_A_Sub t1_j7uzqmy wrote

I went to Woodbridge Center recently, they have a Boscov's there, and it reminded me of Sears when they actually had clothes to sell.

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jerseycityfrankie t1_j7wgb90 wrote

I fear if I go back I’ll break the time continuum and when I try to go back outside it’ll be the 90’s again.

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Brudesandwich t1_j7xi8v8 wrote

No one is ever in there. I don't get how is still open lol. They need to convert it to a supermarket.

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milespudgehalter t1_j7x6j8u wrote

It's fine, not sure why so many people are shitting on it. It lacks a good warehouse-style shoe store but other than that you got all your mid-tier mall staples, and considering JC has shit for retail it's the only place you can really shop for clothes outside of smaller boutiques unless you take an uber out of town or go to Manhattan.

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Nyandaful t1_j7uyq8y wrote

If you described a metro mall to someone over the phone, this is it.

Recently moved to the area from the Midwest. I tend to go to the AMC there. They seem to have a lot of security there at night after a late night showing, which is appreciated. Haven’t felt unsafe.

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Toddlington t1_j7vin04 wrote

Part of the reason for the security is they are required by JC to keep a pathway through the mall open 24/7 to allow people going to/from the Newport Path station to walk through.

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ddhboy t1_j7w1xou wrote

It's OK. Definitely feeling the competitive pressures of fancier malls and NYC being nearby. It's a working class mall with working class selections, and it's doing pretty well in that demographic.

People who want Apple Stores and other high end things are going to need to take the PATH to the city, or drive to American Dream, Garden State Plaza or Short Hills, all of which are close enough that no one would really dream of higher end aspirations for Newport.

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pixel_of_moral_decay t1_j857kq2 wrote

They do pretty well in their demographic. It’s obvious people come from outside JC to save on taxes for back to school and holiday shopping.

Those price sensitive folks aren’t looking for Prada and Rolex.

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Hulk_Runs t1_j814rt0 wrote

It’s garbage. It looks exactly like a mall from 2002. Did a lap last week and didn’t feel compelled to walk into a single store.

Uniqlo is a massive upgrade.

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mrk_is_pistol t1_j7y0ygm wrote

their stores never have anything you actually want, at least not in my opinion. The Lids didn’t even have navy blue Yankee caps just an example

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jotjotzzz t1_j7vs3n5 wrote

This mall is kind of 'ghetto' -- didn't someone fire shots in the mall recently? This mall needs more security and shows why JC can't have nice things. It's a subpar mall compared to something like Jersey Gardens even and doesn't come close to the Garden State Mall or even the Staten Island Mall. Sad to say.

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WooliesWhiteLeg t1_j7xi54a wrote

That was a popcorn machine.

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jlmends t1_j7vit6j wrote

I would love a jcrew or Nordstrom 😭😭 girl can dream

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kittyglitther t1_j7vvbqd wrote

Same. Nordstrom would be really great. There's a Sephora, there's a Lush, I think there's opportunity for it.

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whybother5000 t1_j7uja9x wrote

Mall is too downmarket now given surrounding affluence. Don’t be surprised if Simon decides to cut bait and hands it to a developer. That land must be worth a fortune. Apple is a premium brand and won’t come to such a forum. Hoboken is a likelier candidate.

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down_up__left_right t1_j7ur49o wrote

The master plan for Jersey City includes breaking up the mall into several plots to be redeveloped.

>he 41-acre Newport property, which includes 130 retail stores, sits roughly four blocks off Hudson River waterfront. The master plan draft proposes to re-establish its street grid by extending Seventh, Eighth, Ninth and 10th streets — which end at Marin Boulevard — and to “simplify” Mall Drives East and West for pedestrians to reach the waterfront area walled off by the mall.

>The city intends to work closely with Newport mall’s owner, the Simon Property Group, and all stakeholders on any future plans, Jersey City spokeswoman Kimberly Wallace-Scalcione said. She said the proposals in the draft are based on community feedback, “but nothing that would transpire without support from the current property owners.”

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>Simon spokeswoman Ali Slocum said the company hasn’t yet been approached by city planners, but it’s “committed to Jersey City and look forward to this collaboration. Newport Centre will continue to evolve, adapting to meet the needs of consumers and will continue to support the community for years to come.”

>The master plan draft provides a neighborhood-by-neighborhood glimpse into how the city could evolve over the next 20 years. The plan looks to revise open space and land use. The drafts had been available on the city’s master plan web page for recommendations and comments until Aug 2, but it was taken down on Aug 10.

So no actual plans yet.

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Ezl t1_j7utw6o wrote

I really like that. The idea is that, as currently designed, the mall “disrupts” the neighborhood, creating an artificial barrier between Hamilton Park and Newport. One of the goals of the grid approach is to remove that barrier and integrate the neighborhoods, which I think is a great idea.

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down_up__left_right t1_j7uuize wrote

And if they built retail on the first floor or 2 of the buildings that would take the malls place it probably wouldn't even be that large of a decline in retail square footage.

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pixel_of_moral_decay t1_j7vazt2 wrote

There’s a ton of unutilized retail already in JC. They can build no retail and there would still be an oversupply of retail.

The perk the mall has is it attracts out of town people to drive in and shop with reduced taxes. Which is why those stores do so well for back to school and holiday shopping. If you got a big list of items, that tax savings is worth coming here for.

But nobody is going to endure street parking or 3 buses to save money.

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robocub t1_j7vnk9x wrote

I've been saying this for years. The mall was installed back in the day when Hamilton park wasnt so nice and they wanted to segregate it from the waterfront. Now its the opposite. The mall and the office buildings in front of it absolutely are a barrier to the waterfront and public transportation from all points west in JC. We need to open that open. Sure you can "walk" through the mall to get to the other side but its a sickening maze. Try explaining it to someone whos never traversed it. Besides the stink super oily popcorn and Cinnabon is vile.

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dontforget2stretch t1_j7vzd08 wrote

I saw Michael Jackson’s Dad eating Popeyes in the cafeteria back in 1998. DEAD ASS SERIOUS

great memories in the mall. Hudson Catholic class of ‘04 what’s up !

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hyperstationjr t1_j7unls6 wrote

They still charging you to park there? That was always the reason I either went someplace else or when I lived near by, would walk.

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Supablue24 t1_j7x825b wrote

Not sure if they changed it, but you could tailgate people out if that helps

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yoko_izzy t1_j82l928 wrote

Yea that’s a big deterrent. It’s not even about the actual amount which is rather insignificant. It’s about the principle. I can go to Shorthills, Willowbrook, Jersey gardens, or Woodbridge and get free parking. I gotta pay to park to shop mid range stores and go to an AMC but the mall with the aquarium and Dave and busters has free parking. The mall with the apple store and all the high class stores has free parking. The other mall that has a movie theater has free parking. If I’m parking it’s apparent that I have a car. I can go somewhere else. At least American dream mall has an amusement park and water park amongst other outrageous Shit before they charge you for parking.

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Nyandaful t1_j7uxjus wrote

They are still charging for parking. It’s $4 for 3 hours I believe. It’s not the worst, but if you see a movie, it’s can turn it to $8. (Though, I think you can get a voucher at CS)

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DeepFriedAsses t1_j7yu3ga wrote

The move is to park at Shop-Rite and enter via JC Penney

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Supablue24 t1_j7znrn1 wrote

Risky I would say. Seen a lot of people getting towed by sleeper agents from Phyrexia parked in the lot watching

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Worldly-Eye51 t1_j7v9dit wrote

Apple is already at American Dream. Would make no sense now to put Apple in Newport mall.

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According_Bee_945 t1_j7v9ddj wrote

Ohhhh shitttt that would great I’ve been living in the downtown area forever literally 4 streets away finally some new stores Newport mall been wack honestly lmfaooo

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skippy_nyc t1_j7ueh4r wrote

people coming to this mall look mostly low-med income levels. There are many other areas targeting more affluent groups for Apple to consider, and Newport mall is less likely to be the one.

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mouse6502 t1_j7ug94c wrote

It's mad easy to get to the Oculus store.

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objectimpermanence t1_j7uonty wrote

Sales taxes are lower in NJ, especially if in an urban enterprise zone like JC.

It’s a decent savings when you’re spending $1-2k on something, which is why I try to buy Apple stuff at Best Buy in JC versus going to one of the Apple stores in NYC.

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bodhipooh t1_j7uu3zr wrote

If you want real savings, shop at target with a Target branded card. You will get the standard 5% discount, plus the lower sales tax, for an equivalent 10.8% discount.

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SadMaverick t1_j7uulzl wrote

You can also take it a step further by shopping at the Microcenter in Paterson. 5% discount on their card + just 3.5% sales tax.

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bodhipooh t1_j7v8q9a wrote

Sure, but can you also get Legos, milk, and makeup while you pick up the latest Apple gadget at Microcenter? ;)

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Brudesandwich t1_j7xirds wrote

You can take it a step further by slheading to the mall and using the five finger discount

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pixel_of_moral_decay t1_j8585f4 wrote

Targets pricing more than incorporates those saving for everything except it’s own house brands and clothing. You’ll still do better pricing on Amazon every day of the week regardless of sale. Targets business model is impulse purchases.

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down_up__left_right t1_j7urrks wrote

Also how often are people even going to the Apple Store? They sell products that should last for multiple years.

Unless someone is constantly going to the tech support part of the store the difference between getting to Newport and WTC is a pretty small inconvenience.

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D_Empire412 t1_j7wnf3o wrote

I get a new Pro Max iPhone, iPad, and MacBook Pro every generation.

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down_up__left_right t1_j85ildg wrote

So once a year for the phone and less than that with the ipad and laptop?

Do you actually go to the store when you already know what you want or just order it online?

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bodhipooh t1_j7ugkdz wrote

You are getting downvoted for stating facts.

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BeMadTV t1_j7uhus5 wrote

Emotions trump reason here.

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NoodleShak t1_j7uukkf wrote

DID YOU JUST MENTION TRUMP?!?? I AM TRIGGERED!!!!!!!!

/s

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SkyeMreddit t1_j7ul4gg wrote

I would rather see Apple outside of the mall somewhere near Newark Avenue

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ItsKendrone t1_j7x1zwp wrote

are they hiring full time? I was thinking of working part-time there if possible.

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eframian t1_j7xhjhz wrote

Why are there no Gap stores? Banana? Old Navy? I always thought it was odd to have a mall without those stores!

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ddhboy t1_j7y2ct3 wrote

Because they have all of that in Edgewater, plus an Old Navy at that outdoor mall by 440. Also, they closed the Banana Republic at American Dream, so I wouldn't be surprised if Gap is trying to avoid oversaturation around here and trying to avoid high rents.

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ianvee t1_j99e378 wrote

There used to be a Gap store at Newport! It was on the first level, where the Michael Kors and the Starbucks is now. Closed around 2010-2011 if I remember correctly.

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106th t1_j7zfrb2 wrote

oooh this is actually exciting news for some of us haha

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AdComprehensive4529 t1_j7vdztw wrote

Put whatever you want, but please god leave the sears, am I wrong saying that’s the only one left?

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centech t1_j7vrtve wrote

Not the only, but I think the next closest is in like Massachusets. I can't imagine the ones left are very long for this world.

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D_Empire412 t1_j7wmskd wrote

Definitely. The Apple Store at WTC is horrible on the weekend for Newport residents because there isn't a direct train.

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kuriluv t1_j7zej7e wrote

I didn't know Apple was considered in high regards here lol my small dying mall in Florida had an apple store lol

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Adventurous_Ladder88 t1_j7vj2gm wrote

Apple will never come to hood malls. You only see them in high end malls

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L0v3_1s_War t1_j7wygrh wrote

They opened at a mall in the Bronx not too long ago.

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brandy716 t1_j7w47dh wrote

I love Uniclo but will that make me come to the mall? Not likely. If the mall was smart they would lower the rent in small stores, so mom and pop shops could fill in the gaps. No one really likes the Kiosk junk unless it’s Christmas and your out of time.

Bring in a kids ninja warrior, play area, rock climbing, HomeGoods, Ross, Costco, Dollar Tree and etc. Those stores are always packed, there are a ton of shop with videos online in those store and they are the only ones people are talking about at the PTA, my union, book club or online.

Also if there was a place I could also drop off my laundry and it would be done by the time I was finish shopping that would be the chefs kiss. Make the parking cheaper or free during the week day.

Otherwise malls are dead.

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Savings-Fix938 t1_j7umhzb wrote

Yayy more chains/fast fashion in a city that has no need for any! 🙂🙂

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objectimpermanence t1_j7urh23 wrote

I’ll bet that most of the people who would shop there would otherwise shop at one of the Uniqlo stores in NYC.

Better to have them spend money in JC and support jobs here rather than in NYC.

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FloatingWeight t1_j7uvm3f wrote

Not a clothing chain, I only buy my locally hand made artisanal clothes 😤

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kittyglitther t1_j7vv432 wrote

Pardon moix, but I make my own clothing from hair that I pull out of my shower drain, it's really the only way to remain ethical.

Sent from my iPhone

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WinterGoddess_ t1_j7vymgy wrote

Have the same energy with the phone you used to make that comment 🤓

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