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DirectorBeneficial48 t1_jeadt42 wrote

> She says that repeated requests to have window guards were ignored.

Yea, that's a lawsuit

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Blecher_onthe_Hudson t1_jeangrt wrote

Without a doubt the landlord is liable at this point. But what puzzles me is how can a parent simply shrug if a irresponsible landlord fails to protect their child and not take matters into their own hands? Window guards are not hard to install, and withholding the the cost from the rent would be totally justifiable. Plus, why was the window open to begin with? It's March for god sakes! I have yet to meet a rental window that a six-year-old could open easily.

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AccountantOfFraud t1_jeas6ow wrote

We've had some pretty decent weather lately and some people prefer outdoor air vs AC.

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Blecher_onthe_Hudson t1_jeb62cb wrote

This was 3 weeks ago. And why not just crack the window, or open the top not the bottom. If you're concerned about your kid's life that is....

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cmc t1_jeb849v wrote

Maybe it was cracked and the kid opened it the rest of the way.

I think it's a little....cruel to blame the victims in this. The mom reported it to the landlord, you're not supposed to have to do this work yourself in a rental.

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Blecher_onthe_Hudson t1_jeb90bl wrote

Like I said, that would have to be some strong determined 6 year old for most windows I've met.

As for victim blaming, there's a bad guy here, but people need to be less helpless and passive. It reminds me a bit of the people who cross the road with their nose buried in their phone because it's a crosswalk and they have right of way. Yes, they're right, but it's not a great survival strategy in the real world.

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cmc t1_jeb9lq2 wrote

It's not that I disagree with you...it's that a lot of people don't feel comfortable working with tools in a place they don't own, and especially not installing something safety related. Whether it's good or not to be that way, many people (probably including this mom) have never owned their own places so they're not accustomed to doing their own manual work that way. I know I'd hire someone to install safety bars, would absolutely not be comfortable doing that and I own my place. Certainly wouldn't be messing with drilling bars into walls in a rental.

As for the windows....I dunno what kind of hardcore fortresses you've been living in but every place I've ever lived has windows that, um, can be opened. Easily. By just like, putting a little upwards pressure on them. A two-year-old couldn't open it but a six-year-old should be able to.

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ceeyell t1_jebhlie wrote

Article about a 6 year old falling out of a window....turns into an angry rant about pedestrians. Fabulous, right on cue.

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ScumbagMacbeth t1_jeb8aqx wrote

My 4th floor apartment gets HOT when it's cold out. I almost always have at least one window open. (And I run cold, so for a normal person they'd probably need more.) Older buildings were actually designed this way to increase air circulation in the winter months.

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Blecher_onthe_Hudson t1_jeb9qdd wrote

That's an issue, and one I can't believe a landlord continues in this era of high energy costs. I assume it's an old steam heat building, but even with that there's solutions to that problem like thermostatic rad valves. Have you ever simply turned off some of the radiators? When we had a 6th fl apt in the city I think we had only one rad on in the whole place.

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ScumbagMacbeth t1_jeba6we wrote

I like having windows open for fresh air in the winter.

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Blecher_onthe_Hudson t1_jebahbb wrote

Do you pay anything for your heat? And never mind the cost, think of the carbon being spewed by that waste.

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ScumbagMacbeth t1_jebb7su wrote

I don't pay for heat. My carbon footprint is otherwise lower than most so I think I'm allowed this one thing that improves my quality of life.

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robin_tern t1_jefk7c6 wrote

Surefire way to get a leak with those old radiator valves if you turn them on and off repeatedly :-)

I tell my tenants please not to touch them.

Robin.

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Blecher_onthe_Hudson t1_jefuq7x wrote

Tighten the bonnet nut, or repack it to be sure. The easier way to stop the steam is just stick a toothpick into the vent hole of the air vent valve!

God I hate steam.

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mooseLimbsCatLicks t1_jebc75f wrote

Reminds me of the family I met where kids had a near drowning at the community pool. Toddler who walked there . Well, it happened a second time and second time wasn’t a near drowning. Failure to watch your kid around potentially dangerous objects/locations is a failure of parenting.

Now flo rida just won 80 million dollars in an unrelated lawsuit, some sports drink or company he promoted that blew up and tried to not pay him. The guy is rich as hell. Why the hell is his kid In this situation. Shitty situation all around. All the money in the world can’t help them if he landed on his head.

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Complex_Difficulty t1_jeb8l81 wrote

Where are you quoting that from? I don’t see it in the article linked.

Edit: for clarification, i tried searching for details on the lawsuit, but can’t easily find it. Another article (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna77415) says it was “faulty” window guards.

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DirectorBeneficial48 t1_jeba80a wrote

Loaded up the article to let you know what paragraph, but that quote is gone. Solid editing there without updating the timestamp

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possums101 t1_jeadpvi wrote

This sounds like a complete nightmare. Those are some serious injuries for anyone let alone a child. I thought apartments with children have to have certain window requirements? Maybe only certain kinds of buildings? I guess the lawsuit will sort that out.

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lonewolfandpub t1_jeakz6h wrote

My understanding was that if there's a child under 10, and the tenant requests window guards, the landlord is legally required to provide them ASAP. which according to the article, didn't happen, even after requesting multiple times. And if the child's special needs, and she mentioned that specifically as a reason for the request and it was still ignored, i can't imagine the lawsuit going well for them.

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Zulumus t1_jecbz37 wrote

Yup, if I recall the default is to have window guards in before a tenant even arrives, and then you have to sign a waiver to have them removed if you don’t have any children.

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ASpurkofgenius t1_jedob80 wrote

For those wondering, Flo-Rida supposedly has no relationship with the child. Apparently the mother had to take him to court to even get him to pay his child support. He decided the child wasn’t his upon finding out he was born with health issues and was autistic. That’s why the mother is suing for the cost of the medical bills.

I hope this little guy makes a full recovery.

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Thick_Neighborhood_2 t1_jeaxke0 wrote

I get it’s the landlords responsibility but if they don’t get it done, you do it yourself no??

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Mysterious-Change954 t1_jeb0mw3 wrote

Yes. When your options are waiting for a lazy landlord and allowing your child to be in potentially mortal danger. Or spending $10 and doing 10 minutes of work yourself and taking it out of the rent payment. The decision should be clear. To most people anyway

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cC2Panda t1_jeb4e4d wrote

Some people are also just totally unaware of how to do this stuff. I grew up helping do home repairs and even constructed my own tool box when i was a little kid. On the other hand my wife grew up in buildings with on site maintenance guys, before I moved in with her the only tools she had came in that orange Ikea toolkit.

Waiting for a professional to install something critical that you don't think you have the tools or knowledge to install isn't too crazy.

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cmc t1_jeb8iht wrote

Yup. Especially something like this- I wouldn't know how to install this either (I'm a homeowner and hire people for anything safety related because of this). God forbid you install it yourself, incorrectly, and then something happens. So you deal with the guilt and you're culpable.

I'm so sad for the mom reading these takes. Like "how could you not do something you're not comfortable doing in a place you don't own!" Where's the empathy, damn.

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percbish t1_jebx7m8 wrote

I lived in this building and the windows slid open allll the way, side to side. I was on the second floor and really hoped there was more restriction for the higher floors but guess not. I didn’t even have a screen on any of the windows when I moved in and had to beg the landlord, so not surprised to hear this story now. So sad and really hoping for a speedy recovery, he has been through enough already.

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seriousgenius t1_jeb3abe wrote

Sounds fishy. Didn’t he just win a 80m settlement

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Scoochiez t1_jeaotgx wrote

Why isn't his son living in a luxury building? Isnt he worth hundreds of million

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JCwhatimsayin t1_jeaq0rp wrote

Was curious about this too for no good reason. Read a few articles and it sounds like Flo Rida may never have met the kid and is not involved in his life. Articles are a bit unclear, but it sounds like he is a special needs kid.

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GeorgeWBush2016 t1_jeatgfv wrote

Perhaps not everyone views a downtown luxury high rise as aspirational.

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Scoochiez t1_jebl0ic wrote

Yes because living in a shitty apt with a slumlord is ideal....

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Mysterious-Change954 t1_jeb160e wrote

I just upvoted you in a barrage of downvotes. Felt like walking thru a hurricane.

Some people just dont appreciate dark humor

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Rube777 t1_jeb36dn wrote

I appreciate dark humor, but there’s nothing funny about a child falling 5 stories from a window

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