Empty_Smoke_6249 t1_jc0h9vz wrote on March 13, 2023 at 3:17 AM

Reply to comment by Empty_Smoke_6249 in A+ coalition building by Progressive Democrats leader Hector Oseguera. Is this his strategy for getting >30% of the vote next time? by clade_nade

Like, I can’t imagine telling an old Jewish person, “not okay to be bigoted to Germans,” like it’s not fully justified dislike. Don’t want to be disliked? Don’t be an enslaving, lynching, redlining, segregationist piece of shit. People want to move on and have all be forgotten with no reconciliation. Meanwhile, basic idiots are having weddings on plantations with cotton bouquets. Not being bigoted to white people is not because it is not “deserved”. It just solves nothing and hate get us no where. But a white person telling POC it’s not okay to dislike them is laughable as f*ck.

Vertigo963 t1_jc1axx7 wrote on March 13, 2023 at 9:12 AM

For thousands of years, people of every racial and ethnic background have lived similar shameful histories, by creating states with unrepresentative and tyrannical governments, by subordinating and killing dissenters, freethinkers, and minorities, by waging wars of conquest against neighbors, and by keeping members of disfavored groups as slaves. This is the shared history of every human being and every community, regardless of skin color or ancestry. In my view, the only way to move past that history is to treat each other fairly, as individuals, in a new society that rejects the old prejudices and addresses the problems we have today. If doing that is laughable as f*ck, then so be it.

Empty_Smoke_6249 t1_jc1k6n7 wrote on March 13, 2023 at 11:18 AM

We don’t live in a new society. We live in the same old prejudice society where white people own the majority of wealth as a direct result of past wrongs. The only way forward is to address those wrongs, not just play nice at an individual level.

Vertigo963 t1_jc1nose wrote on March 13, 2023 at 11:57 AM

Past wrongs are past and difficult if not impossible to address. Inequality of wealth is a current wrong that could be addressed by redistribution today, in a manner that helps every poor person, but the main barrier to that solution is racial chauvinism like yours that privileges certain poor people over others based on the color of their skin and creates endless conflict that keeps the oligarchy in charge.

Empty_Smoke_6249 t1_jc1s0lu wrote on March 13, 2023 at 12:39 PM

Oh give me a break. It would be fairly easy (in the context of the US anyway) to address some very recent past wrongs that account for a significant portion of the existing wealth inequities across racial lines. I’m talking about the GI Bill and other post-WWII policies that helped build the white middle class - at the exclusion of Black Americans (including Black war veterans…I mean, just vile behavior). Similar legislation is possible. What’s lacking is the will power because, you guessed it, this is still a very white supremacist society and a Black underclass is needed for its survival. So keep that we are the world BS to yourself. We aren’t buying it.

Vertigo963 t1_jc1ykh2 wrote on March 13, 2023 at 1:35 PM

I have strong factual disagreements with much of what you wrote, but I think the bottom line is that you cannot reasonably expect people from other racial groups to support programs that discriminate against them based on their skin color. If you ever want to work toward wealth equality for all Americans, regardless of skin color, let me know.

Empty_Smoke_6249 t1_jc2938k wrote on March 13, 2023 at 2:52 PM

I mean, we can both agree that calling white people “melanin deficient” isn’t the way to do much of anything. I just don’t think a “race neutral” approach will solve centuries of racist policy.