Submitted by The_Nomadic_Nerd t3_ycig4v in jerseycity
Holy shit. The Q4 2022 payment due is more than double that of Q4 2021. I responded to one of those legal flyers about seeing if they can appeal and get my property tax bill lowered, although I'm not sure since I bought in May of this year so I'm guessing the city has a pretty good idea of what my property is valued at.
in Greenville can confirm it went up almost 900 this quarter for me , they can't drop huge bombs on people like this out of the blue.
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This is in addition to the $400 a quarter it already went up since last year because of the school tax .
however my Q1 2023 is back down to just the $400 increase though.
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Not to mention the water company trying to get me for an extra $600 this cycle too somehow trying to say i used 40,000 gallons when the new company took over vs the average of like 3 i use every month that im still fighting them over.
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Taxing people on the value of their home is insane - what does the value and market price of a home have anything to do with required city services and expenditures for police / fire / roads so as the area gets more popular you pay out the ass.
Maybe that fair for corporations making all these for profit mega buildings but for those of us just trying to live is BS.
at place valued at 500k gets 12k in taxes a year . You pay all this money for house then pay more then most places in rent on something you already own here.
So sorry for your peril! Yes, that water bill was a killer this quarter too. My mom's was nearly $900 (double 2Q). I think it's the way the new company, Veolia, calculates usage, combined with a higher rate, AND don't forget the solid waste fees.
I personally think that the city and real estate interests are trying to get people's homes. If you are a senior on a fixed income, there is no way you can even live. And family members of seniors have to pick up the rest of the tab.
My mother always praised Fulop, but I feel like he is the Mike Bloomberg of Jersey City, because he is allowing money and corporate interests to carve up the city, and diverting funds and resources to the gentrified areas.
Quality of life is not great and the cost is very expensive the closer you are to NYC. 12K a year is more than many seniors receive in Social Security. Something has to give before it breaks.
I wish you and your family the best as this year wraps up! Hang in there!
appreciate it - the water bill does not make sense though like i said the most in 10 years of billing ive ever used in a quater is like 9000 gallons and that was mostly filling up a pool. Most months its under 3,000 . So im still fighting with them how they trying to say we used 40,000 in quater - no leaks no running faucets - this new company seems criminal and super shady .
Who would you vote for that would lower tax bills?
This city is fucking ridiculous as much as it is incompetent. If you add up the total amount on the city tax website for the 2022 year, the property tax bills are 20-25% higher than the yearly posted tax levy.
The idiots done fucked up again.
Unfortunately most of JC property owners have been assessed roughly 32% more property tax as compared to last year
2021 - total tax rate = 1.6% (city rate 0.60% + school rate 0.60% + county rate 0.43%)
2022 - total tax rate jumped 32% = 2.11% (city rate 0.82% + school rate 0.86% + county rate 0.43%)
For 2022 the city tax rate went up ~37%, the school tax rate went up ~43%, county tax rate stayed the same.
They only assessed the higher rate in Q3 and Q4 that's why you're seeing the bigger property tax bill now.
See the following articles for actual budget data and references and questions to ask your local representatives:
https://civicparent.org/property-taxes/
See the articles above re: what drove the tax increase.
A big thank you to Professor D'Souza CPA from St Peters for this public service website.
one of the most useful posts on this thread! thanks
This link is incredible. This person should run for city government!
Totally boggles the mind that the City’s 2022 budget was passed in mid October of the same year!
Just saw my friend's tax bill. They'll be paying over $16,000. I feel bad for all of you for having to pay this outrageous tax bill. And, it's only going to get worse next year. Remember to VOTE ON NOVEMBER 08!!!
And just to tag on: u/AlexanderHamiltonJC (one of the few BOE officials who voted No for the prior quarter's budget increase) is doing an AMA Tuesday 10/25 6-8PM. He's fielding questions for it on the thread below:
https://www.reddit.com/r/jerseycity/comments/yc0wh2/hello_rjerseycity_im_alexander_hamilton_i/
Do you have a list of all BOE officials up for election that voted No to the budget increase?
FYI everyone - Alexander Hamilton is running on the ballot under the "Change for Children" grouping in the BOE section.
This has been reported previously:
>The 5-4 vote broke along the same lines as the vote for initial approval in March. President Gerry Lyons, Vice President Gina Verdibello, and trustees Noemi Velazquez, Paula Jones-Watson, and Lorenzo Richardson voted to approve.
Vice President Natalia Ioffe and trustees Alexander Hamilton, Younass Barkouch, and LeKendrick Shaw voted against the budget.
Unfortunately I think Hamilton is the only one who voted No who is running for re-election this year.
OK so now we need to vote Velazquez the fuck out. I think Hamilton is running with Ervin and Reyes. Do you know if those other 2 would vote against a future ridiculous budget like this?
I know for a fact that Doris Toni Ervin and Kenny Reyes would vote against such a bloated budget.
I don't. You can search for any of their given statements online though, as they've submitted them to a number of news sites and local blogs. You can also use the AMA tonight with Hamilton to ask.
You can bet on your butt cheeks that I'll be going to vote on Nov 8th.
GD looking at this is painful
Just wait until all the “my rent went up” posts start trickling in.
Damn it now I pay the same amount of taxes as my dad in Livingston yet all I got is 1100sqft and a shit school system.
Your tax bill is based on the assessed value of your property, which in Hudson County doesn't generally change when a property is sold. Most assessments in JC were reset in a city-wide reval in 2017. You can check your property's assessed value by doing a search here.
Lyons and Velazquez are for re-election this November. Let’s make sure to vote them off.
Is it only if you live in a specific district, or is this city wide? Sorry I'm new to city politics.
My property tax for a went from $3,775 in Q3 to $11,515 in Q4, then back to $4,633 in Q1. This better be a f*cking error.
Jeez! Yeah might be an error because mine went from $4,532 in Q3 to $6,445 in Q4 then to $4,418 in Q1. Your numbers don't make sense.
This does seem a little off so it's worth asking the city. For reference, we went from $6.9k in Q3, to $9.8k in Q4, to $6.7k in Q1'23.
Yeah, I emailed the tax assessor. They replied saying there was a problem with some of the accounts that got a county board judgement (I got a reassessment this last year), and to check back in a couple days.
Did your tax bill get lowered?
>This better be a f*cking error.
It probably is not. The Q4 bill is a true up for the year, which includes the increases just approved. Unfortunately, the 2022 budget was not approved until now, so this latest bill is a catch up that includes the outstanding balance from the prior three months.
Basically, your total tax bill, based on what you state for Q1 is going to be 18.5K for the year, so your property must be assessed at about 880K.
Remember a few years ago when Reddit was convinced taxes would never go up in JC because… reasons.
Yea… good times.
And the correction still has a ways to go. JC is below state averages and still gets a lot of state funding by right should be allocated to poorer places. This ride is far from over.
But don’t worry, homestead rebate, or whatever they call it now will offset a couple percent.
I didn't live here at that time so I have no idea what you're talking about. What's this homestead rebate?
https://www.state.nj.us/treasury/taxation/anchor/index.shtml
It’s called ANCHOR now but it essentially serves as a retroactive rebate if you were a homeowner in NJ and fell across specific income requirements.
You’d need to have owned a home in October 2019 to qualify for this year’s benefit.
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Yeah, same for me. Although if you look at Q1 and Q2 2023, they are significantly lower than Q4 2022. Must be some adjustments for 2022 I guess :(
Budget is basically retroactive so Q4 will always be higher if there is an increase. I think it basically is Q4 + what you owe for Q3.
Q1 onward will be your total tax bill /4.
Yeah i was surprised to see that. That puts this bill for Q1 and Q2 at about the same as my Q3 2022 bill.
Probably a stupid question, but are those elevated totals for Q1 and Q2 2023 set for future periods of time? Ex. will Q3 and Q4 2023 be just as high (if not more than) what Q1 and Q2 2023 currently have?
Not a stupid question. Q1 and Q2 of 2023 are set and really shouldn't shift. Q3 is when you'll usually see a change due to budget changes with the school, county, and city. Assuming those budgets continue to increase next year, you will likely see a larger bill in Q3 and Q4.
Q1 and Q2 are lower than Q3 and Q4 because the budgets for the school and city are decided mid-year so if there is an increase from last year we will pay for it all in those two quarters.
That makes sense - thank you for clarifying!
So excited to see even higher property taxes in the future /s
My annual tax bill (calculated by taking the last quarter, plus the three quarters they just posted) is up 41% over the previous 4 quarters. I just moved here and while I knew taxes were going to go up, this is by far the most I have ever seen over the course of 1 year.
Election is in two weeks: I assume I can vote against at least the schoolboard. Can't wait to make the rest of them feel the pain when they're on the ballot.
For anyone who bought this year, you can use the comparable sales in the appraisal you got for mortgage in your tax appeal, fill out the form online for $30, and there no need to pay an attorney. I did it myself this year. Everything you need is your sale price and in the appraisal. The website is https://secure.njappealonline.com
You need to look up the assessment, then the equalization ratio, to get to what the city thinks the market value is. Compare that to what you paid. In NJ as long as it's off by more than 10% it should be a pretty painless appeal. But basically if an attorney sent you the paperwork all the info is right there, except if you do it yourself you'll save the several hundred to a couple thousands of dollars in attorney fees.
With all due respect the assessor's margin of error is 15%. The sale price of your property is not relevant unless it was within the assessing period of 10/1/21 - 10/1/22 for a 2023 appeal. Appraisal reports for financing are not admissible as evidence before the tax board unless the appraiser is at the hearing to testify..
As an appraiser providing tax appeal consulting services in Hudson County for over 35 years your information is very misleading.
Attorneys are not your enemy if you hire a good one who knows the tax appeal process. Many solicitor companies out there who have no clue.
Local appraisal experts are typically your best option to determine if your property is over assessed before you file an appeal.
I'm telling you what I did to get my property tax lowered via the online portal earlier this year. Yes the pdf explaining the appeal process says the appraisal for financing is not admissable as evidence before the tax board unless the appraiser is at the hearing. But I submitted the appraisal as evidence and the assessor settled before a hearing.
My sale was outside the October - October date range. So were all of the comps in my financing appraisal. My appeal was still successful.
You're correct on the 15% threshold, good call there.
I'm sure for more complex property tax appeals or for higher value properties you need an appraisal where the purpose and use is a property tax appeal, but for a 1 or 2 bedroom condo with a recent sale price that shows the assessment is wrong by 15%+, my experience is the assessor will lower the assessment if you file the appeal yourself.
Edit to say your post makes a lot more sense when I see your other posts are advertising for tax appeal services.
I understand and agree with you but no disrespect intended by my response.
question, how does this affect abatements? do they go up too? thanks!
Morkitu t1_itovhkt wrote
I am now broken. My mom's tax bill went from $1580 in 2Q (she lives in Greenville) to $2,082 in 3Q, and now it's a whopping $2,980 in 4Q!
She is a senior citizen on a fixed SS income so guess who has to make up the difference? I will definitely be exercising my voting rights in the coming weeks.
We're really paying for the $250K and $350K salaries of city and county executives, and Board of Ed members...many of those on our City Council and Board of Education don't even live in Jersey City proper!
Massive tax hikes at a time when food, medical care, and cost of living have soared, and right before the Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays! Jersey City has been corrupt and mismanaged since I was a fetus basically, but this just beats everything.
I wish everyone the best during this trying time in JC!