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keepseeing444 t1_iv2ka7v wrote

Welcome to Jersey City! Which part of eastern Ukraine are you originally from? I’ve been following the war and it’s very tragic on so many angles because it’s essentially a fratricide, a civil war with entanglements of Russia and NATO mixed in. Is what is being portrayed by American/Western main stream media an accurate depiction of what led up to and is currently going on in Ukraine? Looking at history of proxy wars - Korean War, Yogoslav War, etc, division of territory (eastern & southern split from western Ukraine) appears to be the likely but unfortunate ending.

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One_Bell_2607 OP t1_iv48zku wrote

i would not call this as a civil war,

for instance my wife is from donetsk, and it has been occupied since 2014. her family who is there are hostages, they do not want to be part of russia.

meanwhile russia states that ukranians are part of russian nation, thus ukranians must be at home -> with russia.

They put lots of effort to destroy ukranian sovereignty, and it is possible…

if they had captured kiev in the beginning, the next step would be assining “pro russian” ukranian rulers, and indeed there are some minorities of people in ukraine who wants to be part of russia.

balkan and korea wars included lots of usa/nato forces , and in this war - nato/usa is not part of the conflict, so i would not compare them, otherwise russia would not have existed by today, i think.

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keepseeing444 t1_iv4bsem wrote

Thanks for this insight. I analyzed the relationship between the two countries as one of long married exes with Russia being the jealous ex husband impeding his ex wife from finding her own happiness.

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One_Bell_2607 OP t1_iv47jb7 wrote

indeed, people of my region have tight relationships with russians, almost every family have brother/aunt/uncle etc kind of relatives in russia and vice versa.

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One_Bell_2607 OP t1_iv49d3m wrote

p.s

russians want ukranians to be part of them, and ukranians do not want to identify themselves with russians,

this is the core of the conflict, imo

all russian peopaganda is based on idea that “good pro russian ukranians are captured by nazi zelensky”, and this is ridiculous.

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One_Bell_2607 OP t1_iv478yl wrote

Krarkiv/Kharkov city, ex capitol of ukraine in soviet times

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