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thirstyquaker t1_iv2l2w5 wrote

Jersey City Theater Center has been hosting several Ukrainian bands and plays and things. The head of jctc (my stepmother) is Ukrainian, so it's another good place to go if you're interested, it's on the pedestrian Plaza. There's a show tonight, actually.

https://wl.seetickets.us/event/On-the-Field-of-BloodTheatre-of-Lesya-UkrainkaUkraine/508838?afflky=JerseyCityTheaterCenter

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Yr9012 t1_iv2p8v6 wrote

Can you tell who is Russian and who is Ukrainian without talking with them? Curious about this, because I (and most people here) cannot

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One_Bell_2607 OP t1_iv319gj wrote

haha, concierge at my building calls me russian, probably because i speak russian

i guess most of the time i can distinguish russian from ukrainian

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Yr9012 t1_iv3whg3 wrote

How to distinguish them? BTW, I just bought a ticket for Ukrainian Museum. So eager to learn more

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One_Bell_2607 OP t1_iv47tsx wrote

russians speak russian with some accent 😂 most of the time, so it is easy to detect russian among russian speakers, unless he is a TV show/ radio host with “clean” russian :)

i guess it works same here, like boston english or nyc english…

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One_Bell_2607 OP t1_iv481jx wrote

and russians seem “cruel” and behave narcissistic :) and also they always have unhappy face/look

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badquarter t1_ivbt93k wrote

Fuck Putin and everything but now we're just getting racist towards Russian people that don't even support the war. No group of people as a whole are cruel.

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av239 t1_iv2q4zd wrote

One could tell by their last name sometimes easily.

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IncreaseCareless123 t1_iv4za3h wrote

Thanks for starting the thread, it’s interesting to see what people ask about Ukraine.

P.S. Ukrainian from Kharkiv here 🙋‍♂️, moving to JC next week.

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One_Bell_2607 OP t1_iv75h82 wrote

good luck with move-in, why jersey?

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IncreaseCareless123 t1_iv78f1b wrote

Thanks! I don’t have a good answer for this. Probably wanted to be close to Manhattan, but live in more calm environment.

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One_Bell_2607 OP t1_iv7npru wrote

how did u manage to findout that jersey is calm?

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IncreaseCareless123 t1_iv7o44h wrote

I meant calmer than Manhattan, not just calm :) Anyway, it’s still assumptions-based.

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One_Bell_2607 OP t1_ivf2749 wrote

for me it was very random, but I ended up being here :) and it is calmer and cleaner and safer

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keepseeing444 t1_iv4b6pn wrote

How bad was corruption in Ukraine before the war? Kleptocracy is a very common theme in many former Soviet states. I have Russian friends here who tell me certain hopelessness deriving from lack of prospects due to corruption and nepotism living in Russia that motivated them to immigrate to the US.

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One_Bell_2607 OP t1_iv4egeb wrote

it is difficult to explain how bad the corruption is/was. For instance you may pass an exam in university for 20-50$, depending on your major and the eliteness of the university. You may even skip the full educational process and just get the diploma. It is not so easy, but possible.

A driving license costs 200$.

But, there is a decent progress from early 2000s, people get changed and governments get changed/evolve, so in general it gets much better from year to year. Especially when Ukraine changed direction to the West and became pro-European.

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keepseeing444 t1_iv2ka7v wrote

Welcome to Jersey City! Which part of eastern Ukraine are you originally from? I’ve been following the war and it’s very tragic on so many angles because it’s essentially a fratricide, a civil war with entanglements of Russia and NATO mixed in. Is what is being portrayed by American/Western main stream media an accurate depiction of what led up to and is currently going on in Ukraine? Looking at history of proxy wars - Korean War, Yogoslav War, etc, division of territory (eastern & southern split from western Ukraine) appears to be the likely but unfortunate ending.

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One_Bell_2607 OP t1_iv48zku wrote

i would not call this as a civil war,

for instance my wife is from donetsk, and it has been occupied since 2014. her family who is there are hostages, they do not want to be part of russia.

meanwhile russia states that ukranians are part of russian nation, thus ukranians must be at home -> with russia.

They put lots of effort to destroy ukranian sovereignty, and it is possible…

if they had captured kiev in the beginning, the next step would be assining “pro russian” ukranian rulers, and indeed there are some minorities of people in ukraine who wants to be part of russia.

balkan and korea wars included lots of usa/nato forces , and in this war - nato/usa is not part of the conflict, so i would not compare them, otherwise russia would not have existed by today, i think.

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keepseeing444 t1_iv4bsem wrote

Thanks for this insight. I analyzed the relationship between the two countries as one of long married exes with Russia being the jealous ex husband impeding his ex wife from finding her own happiness.

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One_Bell_2607 OP t1_iv47jb7 wrote

indeed, people of my region have tight relationships with russians, almost every family have brother/aunt/uncle etc kind of relatives in russia and vice versa.

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One_Bell_2607 OP t1_iv49d3m wrote

p.s

russians want ukranians to be part of them, and ukranians do not want to identify themselves with russians,

this is the core of the conflict, imo

all russian peopaganda is based on idea that “good pro russian ukranians are captured by nazi zelensky”, and this is ridiculous.

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One_Bell_2607 OP t1_iv478yl wrote

Krarkiv/Kharkov city, ex capitol of ukraine in soviet times

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One_Bell_2607 OP t1_iv5xipu wrote

neo-nazi is a typical russian propaganda term/argument, and excuse for intervention.

otherwise why would EU/NATO/USA help ukraine :)

so the answer is there are some, as in any other country,

but much more leas than in russia, because russians want to illuminate everything ukrainian, which is a nazi behavior to me.

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One_Bell_2607 OP t1_iv5yuki wrote

ukrainians consider azov and aidar as most motivated warriors who ready to die for ukraine,

as far as i know most of them are radical people, and used to be football fans in peace times.

p.s these terms are used primary’s for internal rus propaganda, so russian people know they fight for good

p.s 2, ukraine is a 95% mono white race country, and it is poor, there is no immigrations from other coubties, thus there is even no preconditions to have nazi, imho

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zixens t1_iv5hub0 wrote

When you decided to move here were you able to go home first and pack up your belongings, say goodbye to family? Or did you fly here direct from Europe? had you already been preparing to leave?

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One_Bell_2607 OP t1_iv5w9we wrote

nope we had two bags with clothes we had for spain :) no way back, because airplaines are shut down, and my home is 40km from russia, at those days active bombing was going on via artillery and strategic aviation, no way to get into the city.

Also, if had have returned to ukraine, to somw safe location, i would not have opportunty to leave the country, because all men are subject to mobilization, and u just can not leave afterwards.

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