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Welcome to Jersey City! Which part of eastern Ukraine are you originally from? I’ve been following the war and it’s very tragic on so many angles because it’s essentially a fratricide, a civil war with entanglements of Russia and NATO mixed in. Is what is being portrayed by American/Western main stream media an accurate depiction of what led up to and is currently going on in Ukraine? Looking at history of proxy wars - Korean War, Yogoslav War, etc, division of territory (eastern & southern split from western Ukraine) appears to be the likely but unfortunate ending.

Jersey City Theater Center has been hosting several Ukrainian bands and plays and things. The head of jctc (my stepmother) is Ukrainian, so it's another good place to go if you're interested, it's on the pedestrian Plaza. There's a show tonight, actually.

https://wl.seetickets.us/event/On-the-Field-of-BloodTheatre-of-Lesya-UkrainkaUkraine/508838?afflky=JerseyCityTheaterCenter

Can you tell who is Russian and who is Ukrainian without talking with them? Curious about this, because I (and most people here) cannot

One could tell by their last name sometimes easily.

haha, concierge at my building calls me russian, probably because i speak russian

i guess most of the time i can distinguish russian from ukrainian

How to distinguish them? BTW, I just bought a ticket for Ukrainian Museum. So eager to learn more

Krarkiv/Kharkov city, ex capitol of ukraine in soviet times

indeed, people of my region have tight relationships with russians, almost every family have brother/aunt/uncle etc kind of relatives in russia and vice versa.

thanks!

russians speak russian with some accent 😂 most of the time, so it is easy to detect russian among russian speakers, unless he is a TV show/ radio host with “clean” russian :)

i guess it works same here, like boston english or nyc english…

and russians seem “cruel” and behave narcissistic :) and also they always have unhappy face/look

i would not call this as a civil war,

for instance my wife is from donetsk, and it has been occupied since 2014. her family who is there are hostages, they do not want to be part of russia.

meanwhile russia states that ukranians are part of russian nation, thus ukranians must be at home -> with russia.

They put lots of effort to destroy ukranian sovereignty, and it is possible…

if they had captured kiev in the beginning, the next step would be assining “pro russian” ukranian rulers, and indeed there are some minorities of people in ukraine who wants to be part of russia.

balkan and korea wars included lots of usa/nato forces , and in this war - nato/usa is not part of the conflict, so i would not compare them, otherwise russia would not have existed by today, i think.

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russians want ukranians to be part of them, and ukranians do not want to identify themselves with russians,

this is the core of the conflict, imo

all russian peopaganda is based on idea that “good pro russian ukranians are captured by nazi zelensky”, and this is ridiculous.

How bad was corruption in Ukraine before the war? Kleptocracy is a very common theme in many former Soviet states. I have Russian friends here who tell me certain hopelessness deriving from lack of prospects due to corruption and nepotism living in Russia that motivated them to immigrate to the US.

Thanks for this insight. I analyzed the relationship between the two countries as one of long married exes with Russia being the jealous ex husband impeding his ex wife from finding her own happiness.

it is difficult to explain how bad the corruption is/was. For instance you may pass an exam in university for 20-50$, depending on your major and the eliteness of the university. You may even skip the full educational process and just get the diploma. It is not so easy, but possible.

A driving license costs 200$.

But, there is a decent progress from early 2000s, people get changed and governments get changed/evolve, so in general it gets much better from year to year. Especially when Ukraine changed direction to the West and became pro-European.

Thanks for starting the thread, it’s interesting to see what people ask about Ukraine.

P.S. Ukrainian from Kharkiv here 🙋‍♂️, moving to JC next week.

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When you decided to move here were you able to go home first and pack up your belongings, say goodbye to family? Or did you fly here direct from Europe? had you already been preparing to leave?

nope we had two bags with clothes we had for spain :) no way back, because airplaines are shut down, and my home is 40km from russia, at those days active bombing was going on via artillery and strategic aviation, no way to get into the city.

Also, if had have returned to ukraine, to somw safe location, i would not have opportunty to leave the country, because all men are subject to mobilization, and u just can not leave afterwards.

neo-nazi is a typical russian propaganda term/argument, and excuse for intervention.

otherwise why would EU/NATO/USA help ukraine :)

so the answer is there are some, as in any other country,

but much more leas than in russia, because russians want to illuminate everything ukrainian, which is a nazi behavior to me.

ukrainians consider azov and aidar as most motivated warriors who ready to die for ukraine,

as far as i know most of them are radical people, and used to be football fans in peace times.

p.s these terms are used primary’s for internal rus propaganda, so russian people know they fight for good

p.s 2, ukraine is a 95% mono white race country, and it is poor, there is no immigrations from other coubties, thus there is even no preconditions to have nazi, imho

good luck with move-in, why jersey?

Thanks! I don’t have a good answer for this. Probably wanted to be close to Manhattan, but live in more calm environment.

how did u manage to findout that jersey is calm?

I meant calmer than Manhattan, not just calm :) Anyway, it’s still assumptions-based.

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Fuck Putin and everything but now we're just getting racist towards Russian people that don't even support the war. No group of people as a whole are cruel.

for me it was very random, but I ended up being here :) and it is calmer and cleaner and safer