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possums101 t1_iwwj826 wrote

Reply to comment by imaluckyduckie in Plain clothes officers at Newport path checking fare jumping by Puzzleheaded-Wonder9

You would prefer poor people get arrested or a court summons? Help me out here why would you give a shit if someone is fare jumping?

Edit: oh boy looks like you luxury dickheads found me!

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Hazel2468 t1_iwwvxc8 wrote

Nah I’m with you on this. Cops stand around all day where I am. Don’t give a shit about everyone nearly getting run over by fucking bikes who can’t decide if they’re pedestrians or vehicles. Can’t enforce that. Can barely give a shit when you call them for actual help.

But harassing people who fare jump? Oh top priority.

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eight13atnight t1_iwxc97j wrote

Aren’t they a different set of cops? JCPD are different than transit cops

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Hazel2468 t1_iwxso26 wrote

I know it’s an unpopular opinion on this sub for some reason but idgaf. acab bud. I’ve had clients who either had to choose between fare-hopping or their fucking medication because they were down to the cent and homeless. Prosecuting fare hoppers is a waste of time and an excuse to harass people.

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RosaKlebb t1_iwzt1dm wrote

I just find it comical for some people from a recent flashpan moment they were allegedly in arms over policing, "stay out of people's business", "don't talk to cops, know your rights", "boost and support people", mutual aid, all sorts of supportive language etc to I actually like pineapple on my slice of boot.

I'm with you, there's infinitely bigger fish to fry and any complaint of theoretical dollars lost on people fare hopping will always be small peanuts to endless amounts of money pissed with things like local beat cops crying how they need to play army man, military hardware and all, and the salaries for people playing with their phone and taking a nap in their squad car around Van Vorst Park.

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Mindless-Budget9019 t1_iwzzcvv wrote

What flash pan moment? It’s not just about dollars lost, it’s about safety, law and order. If people think they can get away with small things then they will do the big things.

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JeromePowellAdmirer t1_iwzpg1b wrote

The solution to that is subsidies for the poor not letting a bunch of people get free rides which inevitably leads to tax increases and service cuts to fill the gap.

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Hazel2468 t1_ix06mud wrote

True- but the solution to those issues isn’t harassing and fining and arresting people who can’t even afford to pay the fare, let alone legal fees.

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JeromePowellAdmirer t1_ix0xx84 wrote

I'd wager quite a bit that the majority of fare skippers aren't broke. Obviously I think differently about those who are, but the majority aren't.

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boojieboy666 t1_iwxo5zc wrote

You’re doing Gods work, mate.

Pass off your used tickets to people walking to the train. I always do.

Wouldn’t mind paying if the light rail had better service and was clean, but it’s not.

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JeromePowellAdmirer t1_iwzpcnr wrote

Almost as if if everyone payed they'd be cleaner with better service

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Paid-Not-Payed-Bot t1_iwzpdni wrote

> if everyone paid they'd be

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DontBeEvil1 t1_iwy05sd wrote

If you're breaking the law, a cop isn't harassing you. They are literally doing their job. Something's wrong with your minds.

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Ask-Downtown t1_iwye2ic wrote

I dont think it's right to assume that everyone jumping the turnstile is poor - there's some prejudice against poor ppl in you comment.

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FloatingWeight t1_iwz1as9 wrote

One of the Richest girl(at least parents) I know jumps turn styles

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assanza t1_iwwka2g wrote

Exactly, victimless crime, right? Just like stealing from CVS or whatever. /s

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possums101 t1_iwwr77z wrote

Okay I’ll bite. Who’s the victim in fare evasion and shoplifting from CVS?

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FloatingWeight t1_iwx3wcl wrote

The victim in those situations (aside from CVS and PA) would be the customers and tax payers who subsidize theft with higher costs. Not to mention have you been to a store where everything is locked up ? Shit is ass,

Do you really think CVS is eating the cost ? Or they just pass than on to customers, same with PA and tax payers

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fltlsyko t1_iwx8i81 wrote

I mean, they DO have budgets allotted for dime outs, expired goods, damaged goods, and... stolen goods. It's called shrink, and it gets written off.

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zmchiban t1_iwxcvfq wrote

The city has budget adjustment for waste, too. It’s called tax increases.

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scubastefon t1_iwxph1r wrote

“Wtf man you have insurance, I don’t get why you’re so pissed that I burned your house down.”

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tehbored t1_iwzn32h wrote

And those insurance rates go up if there are more thefts.

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GioDesa t1_iwxa29j wrote

Have you not heard of all these drug stores closing down due to massive shoplifting? Its happening all over NYC and its becoming a problem in some areas because people no longer have access to a drug store close by.

Also, next time you need anything that costs more than $8 and you have to spend 5 minutes wandering around looking for a store manager to unlock it from the case...you can thank shoplifters. Drug stores also raise prices to offset some of their shoplifting losses. Its not victimless. It impacts the rest of society negatively.

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RemyDWD t1_iwz0y9u wrote

> Have you not heard of all these drug stores closing down due to massive shoplifting? Its happening all over NYC and its becoming a problem in some areas because people no longer have access to a drug store close by.

About that…

> In fact, the two reported Manhattan Rite Aid closures appear to be part of a nationwide downsizing. In December, Rite Aid said it would be closing 63 stores “to reduce costs, drive improved profitability, and ensure that we have a healthy foundation to grow from, with the right stores in the right locations, for the communities we serve and for our business.” Shoplifting was not a listed rationale. Asked about the Manhattan store closures — and whether shoplifting played any role — a Rite Aid spokesperson says only that that the decisions “are based on a variety of factors that retail businesses consider such as overarching business strategy, lease and rent considerations, local business conditions and viability, and store performance.” Again, no mention of shoplifting.

https://www.curbed.com/2022/02/shoplifters-arent-why-nycs-chain-pharmacies-are-closing.html

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GioDesa t1_iwz1r9z wrote

Heres a Rite Aid article to the contrary.

Rite Aid CEO Heyward Donigan told analysts the company “experienced unexpected headwinds this quarter from front-end shrink, particularly in our New York urban stores.”

Donigan noted the company has begun “shrinking our footprint” in New York City as it proceeds with a plan to close dozens of less-profitable stores.

The company said a $5 million year-over-year increase in “shrink” – a term in the retail industry meaning losses related to theft, fraud or administrative errors – had cut into its profits*. Rite Aid’s chief retail officer Andre Persaud expanded on the point – stating* NYC-area losses from shoplifting had worsened despite the company’s efforts to improve “product protection.”

https://nypost.com/2022/09/30/rite-aid-executives-bemoan-out-of-control-nyc-shoplifting-at-stores/

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sutisuc t1_iwwtemd wrote

The notoriously beloved port authority and the corporation CVS. This sub loves the port authority and corporations right?

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blehhhhblahhhh t1_iwxs0h4 wrote

You say shit like this but that type of attitude is what leads to becoming like San Fran. Cops won’t do shit til you steal over 1k

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JonstheSquire t1_iwxmnh9 wrote

People don't like the Port Authority because of how shitty the PATH is, which is partially a function of fair evasion.

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sutisuc t1_iwxsbjh wrote

How do you know the evasion is fair?

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LateralEntry t1_iwyxrag wrote

All of us. We all have to pay more taxes and higher fares for maintenance because of people freeloading.

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tehbored t1_iwzmyua wrote

The taxpayers of NY and NJ are the victims in the first example, and the owners and customers of the CVS corporations in the second.

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DontBeEvil1 t1_iwy0abn wrote

Why stop there? Poor people should steal from other people too. If they need it, what's wrong in taking it? 🤦

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Simple-Television-27 t1_iwzk2t3 wrote

Yeah, I would prefer a court summons. You can afford Air Max 95s, you can afford the subsidized fare. Nothing luxury about me. Just believe we live in a society and if you lived anywhere else in country, you’d need a car to get from point A to B. Don’t be a parasite and pay your fair share.

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tehbored t1_iwzmrqf wrote

Yes, people who jump fares should get a ticket.

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JeromePowellAdmirer t1_iwzp8wi wrote

Go look who fare jumps in NYC, it ain't the poor, it's middle class and business people walking through the accessible entrance.

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mbstor23 t1_ix0brsg wrote

Honestly… anyone making less than $80,000 should get mailed an unlimited smart link card.

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lynch_95_ t1_ix0pa6z wrote

Poor people? If I could count the amount of time I see people with beats head phones, designer clothes and $7 Starbucks drinks jumping. If that’s being poor, I wish I was also.

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