MrFlecker t1_iy49f8v wrote
Reply to comment by moobycow in So what does everyone think about the new lines painted on Columbus? So many new “No parking zones” by Jersey-City-2468
Fun fact, poor people are less likely to live near convenient modes of transportation compared to most people in this sub.
Not to mention the difficulties of people with families, people with physical ailments or injuries, with disabilities, and so on.
I’m speaking as someone from a low-income family who didn’t drive until mid-to-late 20s.
Not everyone can ride a bike. Not everyone has a path station that conveniently runs 24/7. Not everyone lives near a bus route. Not everyone can lug groceries back home for blocks and blocks. Not everyone can work from home or works in NYC.
moobycow t1_iy4cevc wrote
So, take fun fact "Fun fact, poor people are less likely to live near convenient modes of transportation compared to most people in this sub." combine it with the fun fact that the poor are less likely to own cars and what do you get? Poor people stranded and isolated with no good options. Making daily life more difficult and precarious as even getting to jobs is difficult.
By taking as many cars out of a city as possible (and this is about cities) you make it possible to extend functional mass transit to more places. Your argument 'people don't live near mass transit' is exactly because we cater to cars. You can't fix it without limiting car access, and make no mistake, fixing it benefits the disadvantaged a hell of a lot more than doing the opposite.
If you don't do that you make driving a requirement (as it is now) and driving is more expensive and more exclusionary than good mass transit.
As for disabled, another fun fact, the disabled are much less likely to have cars and many of them can't drive. By taking as many cars as possible out of the city you provide more room and convenience for those that absolutely do need to drive and make it possible for those who can't to function in society.
MrFlecker t1_iy4q14d wrote
You really think that taking cars out of cities makes public transit more functional?? NJ transit isn’t going to put more lines in isolated areas if Jersey city reduces the number of cars. You’re just fucking poorer people by taking away both options.
Let me know when “good mass transit” is more than a pipe dream. Otherwise, this “cars don’t belong in cities” stance is just to make gentrifiers and anti-car folks happier.
You can improve public transit without starving poorer people of options.
moobycow t1_iy4s1ji wrote
>You can improve public transit without starving poorer people of options.
Actually, because of the geometry of cars and space constraints you cannot. It very clearly is an either-or sort of situation, outside of massive subway projects or marginal, low value improvements.
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>Let me know when “good mass transit” is more than a pipe dream. Otherwise, this “cars don’t belong in cities” stance is just to make gentrifiers and anti-car folks happier.
Whether or not it is likely to happen has no bearing on if it is correct.
Anyway, is the right solution for cities less cars and functional transit and does that make for more options for more people than car-oriented options in cities? The answer is very obviously yes.
Will cities in the US act on this and make cities better via transit improvements? Likely not.
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