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mmmmyah t1_iybgz14 wrote

Why dont most delivery drivers on bikes obey simple traffic laws like red lights, stop signs and not riding on the sidewalk endangering pedestrians? How do we stop them from breaking the law?

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HappyArtichoke7729 t1_iybia68 wrote

We could have these people that we pay to enforce the law, and arrest folks they catch breaking it. It would be a novel concept, but any good idea has to start somewhere. We could call them city observation peeps or just COPs for short. We should try it!

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[deleted] OP t1_iybm5u2 wrote

so this did happen already, in NY, what they did was ban electric bikes in the city for an amount of time and in the process, immigrant workers...people with no papers were having their $2,000 ebikes confiscated, even money taken from them. it was an absolute solution that didn't solve any problems, likely made them worse. i don't know if government could do anything other than hand out tickets to people that don't even speak english or know how to use google maps.

here's a good clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM5lYzIU_28

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[deleted] OP t1_iybn51l wrote

if anything, we should have more requirements to be able to deliver food. service is what you're tipping for. they do not educate drivers in any way on hospitality.

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HappyArtichoke7729 t1_iycx5sb wrote

Well if you speed in a car, they don't take your car away. So clearly their methods were flawed.

And yeah, clearly handing out tickets and then prosecuting those who didn't show up is the answer. Because not doing that only leads to lawless behavior.

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mmmmyah t1_iybjtj9 wrote

Agreed but cops are afraid to go after bikers to prevent the city getting sued for liability lol you can't make this up

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[deleted] OP t1_iybml5t wrote

ahh it seems like police don't want to deal with delivery drivers. i think they've handed out tickets by newark ave / grove st which i'm all for. there should be a place for pedestrians and cyclists to prevent injury or an outcry.

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mmmmyah t1_iybnan4 wrote

I would like your perspective though - yes we can use a stick/cop but is there a carrot/incentive that may work too - it sounds like at least the delivery companies are partially to blame by rewarding delivery drivers who are just fast without checking if the rider obeyed the law. Would it help if lawmakers made all delivery companies register their delivery riders (bike plate) so that the general public and customers can log complaints with the delivery company directly as well when a bikers breaks the law? Alternately can the company require webcams on bikes with AI to detect traffic violations? On the rewards side can the drivers who obey all traffic laws have an automatic salary hike or lower unassignment probability score? Those are just some of my thoughts.. open to hear ideas from your perspective how we can get all delivery bike riders to obey the laws besides the cops.. thanks

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[deleted] OP t1_iybqcgr wrote

i love where you took this.

i'm all for making all parties more accountable but at who's expense? i'd guess the driver's mostly. to add to the point you're making, this service was a necessity at a time when we couldn't step out of our homes...it's essential/front line work, aside from the big time saver, as cooking can be burdening and time-consuming.

as i commented on a later thread, these apps should have more eligibility requirements or at least a brick and mortar were we can commune and be a part of a or the community in understanding how the city operates as far as laws, good conduct, hospitality, etc. because it's all pretty vague rn. the issue arises when the level of accountability steers us from a private contracting gig to a w-2. in which i choose the latter.

i strongly believe making this work a w-2 would make it much worse and costly for all everyone.

this all gets complicated and costly it looks like.

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mmmmyah t1_iybr4e5 wrote

Re: w2 - drivers should be given a choice of w-2 or not .. don't need one to train and follow the laws. .agreed on better training and requirements. And the companies should be held more accountable for those

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[deleted] OP t1_iybua3s wrote

right i was regarding w-2 as like an hourly thanks for clairfying. i wanna get a body cam for myself asap though!!!!

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HappyArtichoke7729 t1_iybk2z5 wrote

They all need to be fired, starting with the Chief of Police.

We should hire a whole new department, with zero of the same humans.

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